Bonner's improvement

QuackAttackAggie · Post by **QuackAttackAggie** » August 20th, 2022, 11:27 pm

I've been watching a lot of the games from last season. It's easy to forget where Bonner was through 6 games. He had 11 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, worst in the mwc. We are playing CSU and he throws an absolutely awful pick to go to 11/8 on the season. 4 of those touchdowns came against UND.

So what does he do?

He throws 25 touchdowns to 4 picks to end the season.

I also don't think I fully appreciated how good Wright was. DT was obvious--the most talented guy I've ever seen at USU and probably the most electric player I've ever seen live besides Deantony Thomas at Oregon and Saquan Barkley at Penn State. Maybe i would give chuckie a slight nod too. But man DT is amazing.

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jpswensen · Post by **jpswensen** » August 21st, 2022, 12:09 am

I was watching all those highlights from the Winsday thread and we need receivers to step up. DT bailed Bonner out a lot last year. McGriff also had some stellar games and Bowling and Wright were both solid, solid, solid. After watching all those highlights, it brought back awesome memories, but has me pretty worried for our offense this season.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » August 21st, 2022, 12:39 am

jpswensen wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 12:09 am
I was watching all those highlights from the Winsday thread and we need receivers to step up. DT bailed Bonner out a lot last year. McGriff also had some stellar games and Bowling and Wright were both solid, solid, solid. After watching all those highlights, it brought back awesome memories, but has me pretty worried for our offense this season.

My biggest concern this season is replacing DT. Our get out of jail play on offense was throwing it up to him and him making something happen at a shockingly high rate. We might replace most of his raw numbers but I doubt we replace that element of his game.

GrandPoubah · Post by **GrandPoubah** » August 21st, 2022, 1:07 am

I really thought Vaughns out played KVL in the scrimmage I saw and definitely in the Spring. Not sure why he wasn't getting more snaps.

newhouse9 · Post by **newhouse9** » August 21st, 2022, 7:04 am

I read an interesting article recently (I think it was posted on the home page of this forum) about what opposing coaches said about Rising, Bonner and Hall... basically, opposing coaches said that Bonner was a product of system he plays in. They were much more complimentary of Rising and Hall.

Not to knock Bonner...but we do need receivers who will aggressively go get the ball.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 21st, 2022, 10:05 am

Bonner was money down the stretch with his decision making. I hope to see that same decision making from the get go this year. If the O-line can block well I do think we might be more balanced with a running game. Excited to see the receivers play this year and hopefully they can make up for all the lost production.

I am anxious to see how the team plays this coming Saturday. I have some reservations and think that UCONN might be drastically improved with their new coaching staff and influx of transfers. Maybe it is just me nerves, but think the game might be a lot closer than what the odds show.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » August 21st, 2022, 1:40 pm

Bonner is a freaking champion. His will to win was more important to the team than anything statistically he did on the field.
Sure, DT was great. Bonner may be less than a god, but he's more than a mortal man. That can never change.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » August 21st, 2022, 2:22 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 1:40 pm
Bonner is a freaking champion. His will to win was more important to the team than anything statistically he did on the field.
Sure, DT was great. Bonner may be less than a god, but he's more than a mortal man. That can never change.

Bonner = Hercules confirmed

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » August 21st, 2022, 2:23 pm

El Sapo wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 1:40 pm
Bonner is a freaking champion. His will to win was more important to the team than anything statistically he did on the field.
Sure, DT was great. Bonner may be less than a god, but he's more than a mortal man. That can never change.

Sometimes we forget he was injured and missed spring ball and summer workouts last year. As I recall it was touch and go whether he'd be able to answer the bell in Pullman.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » August 21st, 2022, 2:24 pm

Bonner is currently my fav. Aggie QB and I'm a huge Love Fan (although I still question his abilities when he has to play in cold weather).

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 21st, 2022, 5:08 pm

Bonner makes a throw in the MWC Championship game that is explicitly not a "system" throw. Between two linebackers and under the safety, the WR isn't even in the picture when he throws the ball. I think it was Bowling, but it was a big 3rd down completion when the game was still a bit tight.

Besides, Ty Detmer was a 'system' QB, and I'd happily take 5,000 yards/45 tds from the QB position, regardless how it is achieved.

QuackAttackAggie · Post by **QuackAttackAggie** » August 21st, 2022, 5:21 pm

ViAggie wrote:Bonner is currently my fav. Aggie QB and I'm a huge Love Fan (although I still question his abilities when he has to play in cold weather).

This is Chuckie Keeton slander.

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FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm

Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 21st, 2022, 7:35 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

One of the best throws you will see.

deltaaggie · Post by **deltaaggie** » August 22nd, 2022, 8:52 am

This is why I LOVE this board. I dont remember thinking about how great that throw was but now after having you point it out......WOW. WHAT A THROW!!!

dirtnsnow · Post by **dirtnsnow** » August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.

FL350Aggie · Post by **FL350Aggie** » August 22nd, 2022, 11:31 am

I don’t get this whole “product of the system” bs I’ve heard and read from other coaches and analyst. It sounds like jaded coaches not willing to give credit when credit is due. Sure he had a few tds and yards (DT vs UND for example) that were gimmes, but other than that he was a solid decision maker and had to improvise multiple times a game. Product of the system GMFB aren’t most players of product of whatever the system is coaches decide to run? You have to put talent in a position to make plays, your “system” has to work. To heck with them, go ball out again Bonner and shut’em up.

sammyhagar · Post by **sammyhagar** » August 22nd, 2022, 12:02 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.

and the throw after was almost a pick......

Post by **GeoAg** » August 22nd, 2022, 12:05 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.

That throw before looked bad, but it very well could be a receiver in the wrong area bringing an extra defender in that Bonner didn't anticipate.

He is a little bit feast or famine. There are a few boneheaded plays mixed in with absolute amazing work. But the guy is tough and the guy keeps winning. Love watching Bonner play and so excited we have one more year with him.

MrBiggle · Post by **MrBiggle** » August 22nd, 2022, 12:24 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.

I am with you. I was too stuck on how the throw before was a pretty simple turnover, but luckily the guy dropped it.
I know my opinion of LB is not popular around here, but I fear we might see how much last years receivers helped him out in poor throwing situations. I hope I am wrong.

Post by **Aglicious** » August 22nd, 2022, 12:40 pm

FL350Aggie wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 11:31 am
I don’t get this whole “product of the system” bs I’ve heard and read from other coaches and analyst. It sounds like jaded coaches not willing to give credit when credit is due. Sure he had a few tds and yards (DT vs UND for example) that were gimmes, but other than that he was a solid decision maker and had to improvise multiple times a game. Product of the system GMFB aren’t most players of product of whatever the system is coaches decide to run? You have to put talent in a position to make plays, your “system” has to work. To heck with them, go ball out again Bonner and shut’em up.

This drove me nuts too. I think there was also some added comment in the same article about what keeps Bonner from being on the level of Bachmeier or Haener is the rare toughness they have to take a hit and deliver under pressure. HAHA...

It's almost as if the author had never even seen LB actually play.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 22nd, 2022, 12:53 pm

Aglicious wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 12:40 pm

FL350Aggie wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 11:31 am
I don’t get this whole “product of the system” bs I’ve heard and read from other coaches and analyst. It sounds like jaded coaches not willing to give credit when credit is due. Sure he had a few tds and yards (DT vs UND for example) that were gimmes, but other than that he was a solid decision maker and had to improvise multiple times a game. Product of the system GMFB aren’t most players of product of whatever the system is coaches decide to run? You have to put talent in a position to make plays, your “system” has to work. To heck with them, go ball out again Bonner and shut’em up.
This drove me nuts too. I think there was also some added comment in the same article about what keeps Bonner from being on the level of Bachmeier or Haener is the rare toughness they have to take a hit and deliver under pressure. HAHA... It's almost as if the author had never even seen LB actually play.

Bonner is as tough a player at the QB as they come. There several times last year I thought no way he is getting back up, but he just kept picking up himself off the turf and giving it his all.

dirtnsnow · Post by **dirtnsnow** » August 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm

MrBiggle wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 12:24 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
I am with you. I was too stuck on how the throw before was a pretty simple turnover, but luckily the guy dropped it.
I know my opinion of LB is not popular around here, but I fear we might see how much last years receivers helped him out in poor throwing situations. I hope I am wrong.

I hope he just recognizes what he has and is a gunslinger taking chances with the right receivers. Reminds me a bit of Adam Kennedy in that regard, but much better. Hopefully the receiving corps is up to the task again this year.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.

The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?

dirtnsnow · Post by **dirtnsnow** » August 22nd, 2022, 1:47 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?

It was just a contrast that stood out to me. He had a great season that I hope he can duplicate this year.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 22nd, 2022, 2:03 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:47 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?
It was just a contrast that stood out to me. He had a great season that I hope he can duplicate this year.

My apologies for immediately going to 11 on the tension scale.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » August 22nd, 2022, 2:12 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 2:03 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:47 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?
It was just a contrast that stood out to me. He had a great season that I hope he can duplicate this year.
My apologies for immediately going to 11 on the tension scale.

You’re conversing on the internet there is no other way.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » August 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?

He really reminds me of Joe Kapp of the Vikings during their first Super Bowl run. Just so tough and a winner.

bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » August 22nd, 2022, 2:44 pm

MrBiggle wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 12:24 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
I am with you. I was too stuck on how the throw before was a pretty simple turnover, but luckily the guy dropped it.
I know my opinion of LB is not popular around here, but I fear we might see how much last years receivers helped him out in poor throwing situations. I hope I am wrong.

I think it was a combination of the sum being greater than the individual parts. If LB was that great of a QB there would be more NFL chatter about him, but I don't think there is much in part because he is more of a gunslinger like someone else mentioned. It worked great last season and wasn't too frustrating as a fan as long as you accepted there would probably be one dumb INT each game. I hope he can come close to replicating what he accomplished last season.

However, if the season starts to show it was more of the receiving corps making LB look great, I hope Anderson doesn't hesitate to switch things up. We have other proven QBs to run out there. That would really demonstrate what kind of coach Anderson is. Going through another round of the head coach sticking too long with the QB that isn't truly cutting it would be very difficult.

sneed · Post by **sneed** » August 22nd, 2022, 3:30 pm

Our receivers from last year are doing great so far in the NFL preseason…. LB takes a LOT of chances and trusts the receivers. I hope we can trust them again this year.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 22nd, 2022, 5:02 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?
He really reminds me of Joe Kapp of the Vikings during their first Super Bowl run. Just so tough and a winner.

From what I've read about Joe Kapp, LB would need to throw off the wrong foot every now then to be more like him.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » August 22nd, 2022, 5:06 pm

bwcrc wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 2:44 pm

MrBiggle wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 12:24 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
I am with you. I was too stuck on how the throw before was a pretty simple turnover, but luckily the guy dropped it.
I know my opinion of LB is not popular around here, but I fear we might see how much last years receivers helped him out in poor throwing situations. I hope I am wrong.
I think it was a combination of the sum being greater than the individual parts. If LB was that great of a QB there would be more NFL chatter about him, but I don't think there is much in part because he is more of a gunslinger like someone else mentioned. It worked great last season and wasn't too frustrating as a fan as long as you accepted there would probably be one dumb INT each game. I hope he can come close to replicating what he accomplished last season.

However, if the season starts to show it was more of the receiving corps making LB look great, I hope Anderson doesn't hesitate to switch things up. We have other proven QBs to run out there. That would really demonstrate what kind of coach Anderson is. Going through another round of the head coach sticking too long with the QB that isn't truly cutting it would be very difficult.

I wonder if part of the reason LB's performance is downplayed as 'system' is due to Love's poor play in the NFL. He also had great numbers one year and since then, has been average at best.

Part of being a good qb is indeed knowing the offense and where the receivers are supposed to be and then actually throwing to that spot. They don't wait for the receiver to be there.

Bonner's play, along with the entire offense, improved once he began throwing more to DT and BB instead of just DT.

If we end up benching a qb coming off the best year in USU history, then we have a long, long year coming up.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » August 22nd, 2022, 5:08 pm

jpswensen wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 12:09 am
I was watching all those highlights from the Winsday thread and we need receivers to step up. DT bailed Bonner out a lot last year. McGriff also had some stellar games and Bowling and Wright were both solid, solid, solid. After watching all those highlights, it brought back awesome memories, but has me pretty worried for our offense this season.

You could say that DT bailed him out or that Bonner knew what to do to make him shine. I think it's a little of both.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » August 22nd, 2022, 5:45 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 5:02 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?
He really reminds me of Joe Kapp of the Vikings during their first Super Bowl run. Just so tough and a winner.
From what I've read about Joe Kapp, LB would need to throw off the wrong foot every now then to be more like him.

True enough. Kapp was no physical specimen and not at all fleet of foot with a funny throwing style, but the guy could run enough and pass enough and roughneck enough to push a fair but not great team to the top of the Black and Blue division and then past everybody in the NFC.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » August 23rd, 2022, 12:56 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 5:45 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 5:02 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 1:34 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
August 22nd, 2022, 9:08 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑
August 21st, 2022, 6:03 pm
Here's Bonner's throw in the MWC Championship Game I'm referring to. Actually, 2nd Qtr, 7-0 game, 3rd and 11.

This is a man's throw.

At 17:16

Very interesting. The play before showed a less stellar throw, and the difference between that and the man's throw is like night and day.
The play before showed two WR's running the same route.

Bonner had a better season in 2021 than Love had in 2018. He had the best season in Aggies history. So, what is your point?
He really reminds me of Joe Kapp of the Vikings during their first Super Bowl run. Just so tough and a winner.
From what I've read about Joe Kapp, LB would need to throw off the wrong foot every now then to be more like him.
True enough. Kapp was no physical specimen and not at all fleet of foot with a funny throwing style, but the guy could run enough and pass enough and roughneck enough to push a fair but not great team to the top of the Black and Blue division and then past everybody in the NFC.

First off. CLASSIC JOE KAPP REFERENCE! I'm still laughing. What needs to be said is that in the Joe Kapp era, defenders could just beat the $h-- (tar) out of QB's. Kapp was especially slow and was always getting creamed. LOL. But he always got up. Play after play he put his body on the line. Alot like Bonner

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