At this point it is kind of feeling like we asked a girl out on a date Monday morning and she is saying she'll let us know Friday evening hoping a more popular guy will ask her before Friday night the way this whole waiting on the PAC4 is shaking out.

ustate98 wrote: ↑

August 10th, 2023, 3:19 pm

At this point it is kind of feeling like we asked a girl out on a date Monday morning and she is saying she'll let us know Friday evening hoping a more popular guy will ask her before Friday night the way this whole waiting on the PAC4 is shaking out.

I am completely ok with that. I am just happy that aside from SDSU the conference has banded together so far. The MW does not need to rush into things since they already have a stable conference. OSU/WSU are trying to find the best situation for their schools. I think in the end they will realize the MWC is going to be the best available option and will join.

I do wonder what kind of deadline the MWC will give them. At some point they need to know what 2024 is going to look like.

PAC-4 fans seem to think they can wait it out in hopes of some miracle that will never come, but the fact is scheduling will become a huge issue for them the longer they wait.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 10th, 2023, 2:52 pm

ustate98 wrote: ↑

August 10th, 2023, 2:44 pm

bluegrouse wrote: ↑

August 10th, 2023, 2:26 pm

Sounding like the ACC is on the verge of imploding. Who knows what dominoes could fall from that. Next 48 hours is gonna be interesting. Hope Sabau is on this full time this week even tho she hasn’t even started. I have feeling we’re about to see a bigger range of possibilities/threats than we had yesterday.

My guess is that if the ACC implodes the SEC, B1G and B12 will each take 2-4 teams from them. From that point the ACC left overs will cherry pick from the AAC. About the only impact on us out here is losing some teams we'd be interested in from the AAC to that ACC/AAC merger.

I'm not too sure about this. If all these "better" conferences wanted ACC teams, like FSU for example, why wouldn't they just go grab them now? Damn, it's Shark Week extended for sure, the feeding frenzy never stops.

Also, for scheduling the PAC-4 can't sit around forever waiting for something to happen. They need to make decisions well before the end of this year.

The ACC has a GOR through 2036. And unlike exit fees, a GOR is almost certainly enforceable in court. So it's unlikely that any school will try to leave the ACC for the time being.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 10th, 2023, 4:52 pm

PAC-4 fans seem to think they can wait it out in hopes of some miracle that will never come, but the fact is scheduling will become a huge issue for them the longer they wait.

Agreed, time is something they do not have. They only have 3 non conference games next year and no conference. There will come a time over the next month or so that they will have to really solidify something or be in a world of hurt with scheduling. All the MWC needs to do is be patient and stick together. OSU/WSU will eventually come around that the MWC is their best option.

Sure see a lot of posts on Twitter mentioning the American landing 2 or all 4 of the PAC4. I just don’t get it. They just lost their top 3 schools. I understand their media deal is better but shouldn’t the MW be aggressive in pursuing more money if schools are added?

Comical some think the talent of that conference is so much better than the MW. Do I just have MW goggles on?


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August 10th, 2023, 10:59 pm

Sure see a lot of posts on Twitter mentioning the American landing 2 or all 4 of the PAC4. I just don’t get it. They just lost their top 3 schools. I understand their media deal is better but shouldn’t the MW be aggressive in pursuing more money if schools are added?

Comical some think the talent of that conference is so much better than the MW. Do I just have MW goggles on?


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If C-USA+ can get the PAC 12 schools, the MWC could be dissolved with us and all the bigger MWC schools going to the AAC. Looking back, MWC under Thompson was pretty much like Scott with the PAC 12.

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August 10th, 2023, 10:59 pm

Sure see a lot of posts on Twitter mentioning the American landing 2 or all 4 of the PAC4. I just don’t get it. They just lost their top 3 schools. I understand their media deal is better but shouldn’t the MW be aggressive in pursuing more money if schools are added?

Comical some think the talent of that conference is so much better than the MW. Do I just have MW goggles on?


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The current AAC is not better than the MWC. The AAC does pay more but the travel costs for olympic sports in the AAC for the remaining PAC4 would eat up any gain they got from not going to the MWC not only that the travel burden would just be flat out awful. It would end up being a net negative.

For what it's worth, the AAC's TV markets are far bigger than the TV markets in the MW. It seems the current motivation list for teams moving conferences is
1) $$$
2) eyeballs
3) competition

in that order.

I agree that every one of these moves are detrimental to the Olympic sports and those athletes(although I for one don't see the point in Olympic sports that lose money year-over-year, but you know....Title IX).

I get really bugged/concerned when I see what appears to be an intelligent person not even have us on the choice of expanded options for a rebuilt top of G5 conference.



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Cheecho6 wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 12:18 pm

I get really bugged/concerned when I see what appears to be an intelligent person not even have us on the choice of expanded options for a rebuilt top of G5 conference.



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Because he's not educated.

Cheecho6 wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 12:18 pm

I get really bugged/concerned when I see what appears to be an intelligent person not even have us on the choice of expanded options for a rebuilt top of G5 conference.

I don’t think there have been many people more wrong than Tony Altimore about conference realignment the past 12 months. If he is saying something is going to happen… bet on the opposite.
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Tony Altimore may be uneducated and wrong but the fact we didn't make the list of 23 schools should tell you how most of the country views USU. USU needs to be very smart in how it navigates these waters because we could easily get left out on our own.

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August 12th, 2023, 1:40 pm

Tony Altimore may be uneducated and wrong but the fact we didn't make the list of 23 schools should tell you how most of the country views USU. USU needs to be very smart in how it navigates these waters because we could easily get left out on our own.

The fact that the #2 at the B1G took our AD job tells me more about where the rest of the world views USU than what Tony Altimore has to say.

The good thing, because of the snobbery of CAL and Stanford, if the PAC12 rebuilds it is only likely to take 1-3 MWC schools, and so the MWC won't be completely gutted and USU will be secure.

I think the PAC12 is looking at something like this to satisfy Stanford and Cal's elitist, wine drinker / palatable requirement:

1--Stanford
2--CAL
3--Washington State
4--Oregon State

5--SDSU
6--SMU
7--Rice
8--Tulane
9--Colorado State

They could also add Denver and Gonzaga for basketball / olympics.

9 football schools gives them 8 conference games.
11 basketball schools gives them enough to have an 18 game conference schedule.
And they can probably stomach SDSU and Colorado State from the MWC.


So, the MWC could stay at 10, or add 2 more replacement schools (which would probably be smart, because the MWC could lose 2 more if Cal and Stanford leave in a few years). Most likely the MWC would add UTEP and NMSU.

Cheecho6 wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 12:18 pm

I get really bugged/concerned when I see what appears to be an intelligent person not even have us on the choice of expanded options for a rebuilt top of G5 conference.



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Don't worry. Anyone who pays $8 a month for a blue check on Twitter is far from intelligent.

Slim80 wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 1:40 pm

Tony Altimore may be uneducated and wrong but the fact we didn't make the list of 23 schools should tell you how most of the country views USU. USU needs to be very smart in how it navigates these waters because we could easily get left out on our own.

I agree, and have posted in the past that it is concerning that our message board is the only place you will find lists with USU being added to any new conference formed… but posting anything from altimore is no better then asking the 8 ball… I just asked….will the Aggies be included in the new PAC…signs point to yes…. There you have it!

It just says that Tony Altidmore knows we are headed to the B1G.

If Cal and Stanford are so elite in viewing expansion candidates, why is SDSU in any mix? Nice school, good basketball ,avg. football, Cal State system. If those 2 are really driving everything, it's hard to see how a non research university is in the mix. If research is not a requirement, then most of the MWC should get the invite. If it is, then CSU, USU, UNLV, UNM should get the nod.

NV is R1 too..

nvspuds wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 6:03 pm

NV is R1 too..

We’re kicking Nevada. You’ve convinced us.

WasatchAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 4:04 pm

If Cal and Stanford are so elite in viewing expansion candidates, why is SDSU in any mix? Nice school, good basketball ,avg. football, Cal State system. If those 2 are really driving everything, it's hard to see how a non research university is in the mix. If research is not a requirement, then most of the MWC should get the invite. If it is, then CSU, USU, UNLV, UNM should get the nod.

The narrative about "research" and "academics" is a lie and always has been a lie.

This is more about geographic snobbery and politics.

OSU's pres seems pretty confident that the PAC-4 will be sticking together and moving forward as the PAC

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 8:59 pm

OSU's pres seems pretty confident that the PAC-4 will be sticking together and moving forward as the PAC

Napoleon released a similar press statement right before Waterloo...

LKGates wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 9:40 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 8:59 pm

OSU's pres seems pretty confident that the PAC-4 will be sticking together and moving forward as the PAC

Napoleon released a similar press statement right before Waterloo...

Best case scenario: OSU and WSU join the MWC and we get 2 from AAC to go to 16 (SMU and Memphis?)

2nd best case scenario: Full PAC 4 join the MWC.

3rd best case scenario: PAC 4 go to the AAC and the MWC stays as-is (maybe SDSU leaves).

I won't lose any sleep with any of those scenarios. USU will end up fine.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 11:54 pm

Best case scenario: OSU and WSU join the MWC and we get 2 from AAC to go to 16 (SMU and Memphis?)

2nd best case scenario: Full PAC 4 join the MWC.

3rd best case scenario: PAC 4 go to the AAC and the MWC stays as-is (maybe SDSU leaves).

I won't lose any sleep with any of those scenarios. USU will end up fine.

Door #3 seems to be most likely to me right now.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 11:54 pm

Best case scenario: OSU and WSU join the MWC and we get 2 from AAC to go to 16 (SMU and Memphis?)

2nd best case scenario: Full PAC 4 join the MWC.

3rd best case scenario: PAC 4 go to the AAC and the MWC stays as-is (maybe SDSU leaves).

I won't lose any sleep with any of those scenarios. USU will end up fine.

Another scenario;
Calford decides to whore itself out to ESPN or CBS to rebuild the PAC 12 and decides to invite Boise State. Boise State decides to keep Utah State out of the MWC so as not to share any market with the Aggies. This scenario is still alive and well, IMO. It's only a matter of time before Calford realizes that it needs to whore itself out to save its athletic budget.

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑

August 13th, 2023, 7:32 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 11:54 pm

Best case scenario: OSU and WSU join the MWC and we get 2 from AAC to go to 16 (SMU and Memphis?)

2nd best case scenario: Full PAC 4 join the MWC.

3rd best case scenario: PAC 4 go to the AAC and the MWC stays as-is (maybe SDSU leaves).

I won't lose any sleep with any of those scenarios. USU will end up fine.

Another scenario;
Calford decides to whore itself out to ESPN or CBS to rebuild the PAC 12 and decides to invite Boise State. Boise State decides to keep Utah State out of the MWC so as not to share any market with the Aggies. This scenario is still alive and well, IMO. It's only a matter of time before Calford realizes that it needs to whore itself out to save its athletic budget.

Sure, but there has to be a market available in order to whore themselves out. The money to save their athletic budget simply isn't there. If it were, the PAC 12 would have taken it.

The part of those scenarios that keeps me thinking OSU and WSU won't be going to the AAC is that they're already facing a huge budget cut and they won't want the massive travel costs that the AAC will bring.

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑

August 13th, 2023, 7:32 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

August 12th, 2023, 11:54 pm

Best case scenario: OSU and WSU join the MWC and we get 2 from AAC to go to 16 (SMU and Memphis?)

2nd best case scenario: Full PAC 4 join the MWC.

3rd best case scenario: PAC 4 go to the AAC and the MWC stays as-is (maybe SDSU leaves).

I won't lose any sleep with any of those scenarios. USU will end up fine.

Another scenario;
Calford decides to whore itself out to ESPN or CBS to rebuild the PAC 12 and decides to invite Boise State. Boise State decides to keep Utah State out of the MWC so as not to share any market with the Aggies. This scenario is still alive and well, IMO. It's only a matter of time before Calford realizes that it needs to whore itself out to save its athletic budget.

Unless they get 9 votes to dissolve the conference I don't see any teams leaving aside from SDSU. The 34 million exit fee will be too steep for schools.

ustate98 wrote: ↑

August 13th, 2023, 7:49 am

The part of those scenarios that keeps me thinking OSU and WSU won't be going to the AAC is that they're already facing a huge budget cut and they won't want the massive travel costs that the AAC will bring.

Yep, the nearest current AAC teams are close to 1500 miles away with a lot 2000+ away. That would be a nightmare.

I can’t wrap my brain around why people think the AAC is so much better than the MW. It’s the old conferences USA. And geographically the MW is way better for the pac 4.


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