This loss seems to have brought out a ton of new posters to .... strangely defend the Aggies as having promise??? That's not usually how it works I thought.

For the record, I am in the "Oh crap, it's one of THOSE years" group. It's not the ACC or anything, but there is no room in the upper half of the MWC for the team we watched yesterday.

Blitz79 wrote:This team not being good was highly predictable. I will still cheer them on but it will be a rough year.

Miller is one dimensional and not good at that one dimension. Even before his back issue. I hate to be negative about the guy but it's the truth.

Yep, yep, and yep.


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Goose74 wrote:

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 7:52 pm

I’m officially over it finally. Expectations are dead and buried in the back yard.

I’m going to enjoy our overachieving Pigskin team, the Utah Jazz, and just hope to see growth for our basketball team and coaching staff over the season and really nothing else. I think Roy is dead right that Odom is going to need an adjustment year to acclimate to what it takes to win at this level and to make some tough roster decisions once he gets that figured out.

Go Aggies!

Drama.... queen
Please keep to your word and stop posting about basketball for the year. We could all use the break.
Yay football!!

You’re ridiculous.

Got a prediction for the season?


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November 10th, 2021, 9:10 am

Odom is likely gonna have to have the nuggets to trim a lot of the fat from the roster this offseason and hit the portal hard. I can see a ton of roster turnover in our future.

I mean, imagine this team without Bean and Horvath next year.

Its going to have be a whole new team. At least 4-5 guys counseled out and JC and the portal being utilized. I think this team will improve and the Hamoda/Dutch guy hopefully will come around. But no one hear looks like a future Queta or Sam and like it or not every team in the MW that competes has 1-2 borderline NBA/ high international level talent on them.

Unless Queta has a large little brother the focus is also going to need to be on guys who can hit the three both creating their own shots and working in the offense.

That's not to say this team can't be successful but success is probably going to be a ceiling as a 5th-6th place finish and hopefully a mountain west tournament peak. Unless Eytle-Rock and Miller make huge strides in the next 3-4 games. , I can't see the point in playing them so Odem can see what young guys have a future at becoming MW level players.

I think everyone needs to step back on both sides of this debate and realize this team probably won't be nearly as bad as they showed and will probably gel but expectations of a 20 game season and being in the conversation as a MW conference top contender are not realistic either.

You could probably compare this to Stew's first season taking over a program on a previous high but in rebuild mode. He realized what he needed to bring in to win and did it but it took a year. Lets see if Odem can do the same.

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November 10th, 2021, 7:02 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 6:37 pm

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November 10th, 2021, 5:17 pm

Regardless of any of the excuses, losing in the spectrum to UC Davis has Stew Morrill rolling over in his grave.

Did Stew die?

He might have if he watched the game yesterday. Vein probably burst out of his neck as he yelled at the TV.

His obit would probably read, "He died the way he lived... Yelling vigorously at basketball players".

And Refs...

That's actually how I learned the names of the refs. You could hear Stew yelling at them by name whenever he was displeased with their calls, lol.

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OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 12:18 pm

coolag wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 9:20 am

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November 10th, 2021, 8:32 am

Man the shade for Miller's 3pt percentage is such a fallacy. He is a multi-year starter on a MW championship team for a reason(s).

Just because he doesn't make as many threes as some of you think he should doesn't make him a subpar player. Statistically, threes don't need a fantastic percentage to be more valuable than a two point shot. But then again, three point percentage is only one aspect of several ways a player can impact a game.

I love the discussion. All the differing opinions make the board fun and opens my eyes to new ideas.

It seems like many people are throwing shade at Miller, but maybe it is only a couple of outspoken people who say it a bit more often (this is not passive aggressive, i enjoy your opinions and please keep sharing your thoughts).

With all this being said, it sure is nice when people are automatic from three, which was my main frustration with our guards that transferred. How do their 3pt percentages line up against millers?

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Brock Miller is 5-18 from the field in two games against Montana Western and UC Davis. Do you honestly think those numbers are going to get better as we start playing teams we are actually suppose to lose to? I have said it before and I will say it again. In my 35 years of attending Utah State basketball, I have never seen a player have the green light to chuck and mostly miss as much as Brock Miller. That pull up 3 last night with all his teammates in the backcourt was absolutely ridiculous and selfish. And even more frustrating is I have never seen him ever get his a$$ chewed for anything. Stew literally would have strangled someone with his bare hands watching him.

I'm with you, it defied logic during the Smith era especially when a better player like Anderson had the shortest leash of any player I've seen. For it to continue under Odem is even more maddening!

This is so true. The argument that Miller is obviously good because they keep starting him is a trash argument. His +/- on the court is atrocious. And I will never understand why he gets the green light all the time.
Just watch him for one game. He is constantly beat on defense causing other players to have help and then everyone is out of position. He can't hit the 3 off the screen (which I'm pretty sure is what makes a 3 point specialist a 3 point specialist). He rarely helps on d, hardly ever rebounds and can't bring the ball down (which every guard should be able to do).
Other than the heat check in the 1st half last night, he has been embarrassingly absent, as usual.
For the record, I loved Anderson. I will never understand why he didn't get more opportunity.

Miller is not an above average shooter as a whole (the argument could be made about his health, but I consider that cherry picking).Maybe the difference between us is viewing Miller as a three point specialist or not. His percentage shows he is not a three point specialist, however that is about the only shot he shoots. I doubt coaches see him as a three point specialist. Miller obviously thinks he is a specialist.

Everything you said about Miller is ironically the way I felt about Fonz. Frequently out of position on defense, forcing bad shots (it is like he is trying to imitate 90's basketball and force contested midrange shots), intermittently gives effort etc. But Fonz had some crazy ice in his veins late in games (Miller has not shown that in my memory).

I don't feel like Miller is anything beyond a role player. I imagine the two coaches (both of which know way more about basketball than likely everyone on this board) who continue to start him (on championship teams) because he is low risk.

Both Fonz and Miller have had nights where their shots fall and we win games because of their offense. Fonz in Florida and Miller against SDSU (i think those are the respective games??)

Don't get me wrong, I really don't like to see the missed three point shots, especially in large volumes. But people are way too hyper focused on his three point percentage, and then they get confirmation bias about any other mistake he makes outside of shooting. Every player makes mistakes, but every single mistake by Miller adds to confirmation bias.

Outside of Miller's poor shooting, he isn't too much of a liability, and that is why he likely gets more PT and the starting position. Maybe his high volume of missed shots is the price the coach pays to not have the bench player be higher risk?

I don't have time, but does anyone know the 3% where each shot is worth the same amount of pts as the teams average 2%?
I would bet the answer to that is why coaches allow lower than average percentage three point shooters to take shots (ie Miller).

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The whole Miller debate is silly.

Miller plays because he is the best option we have had in his position each year he has started. That’s not even really debatable. Even now, when he struggles to run up and down the Court he is the best option we have. There is no case for Shulga being the better option.

Now, you can argue we should have recruited a better option for his position. But that’s not on Miller, that’s on the respective coaching staffs.

It just makes no sense to critique a guy like Miller, who has given his all, and been a part of multiple championship-level teams. He’s played through pain.

If you want to get mad at someone for Miller being a starter, point the finger where it should be pointed — the guys that put together the rosters where he’s been the best option at that spot for multiple years running.

I think there’s a good case to be made that we should have, based on Miller’s health, recruited such that Miller wasn’t expected to take anything but a bench role. Especially this last recruiting cycle.

Using scholarships on projects and not trimming enough on the back end of the roster will be the story if it turns out that we aren’t up to par this year. Bean, Miller, Horvath, Eytle-Rock, and Jones aren’t the problem. These are guys worthy of scholarships that have all proven themselves as contributors to winning basketball at the division 1 level.

The problem is the rest of the roster surrounding them, IMO, consists of borderline-at-best D1 talent and a few other guys that simply aren’t ready to play yet. We needed 2-3 more pulls from the portal. A true post, a wing, and an athletic combo guard.

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OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Simth landed Queta, his first year on the job. 90% of winning in CBB is recruiting. First season or not, he had a full offseason to go find guys. Thelissen, Hamoda, Jones the UMBC guys, and his son are his contribution to this team. Are any of them first-team all MWC type talents? Doubtful.

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:19 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Simth landed Queta, his first year on the job. 90% of winning in CBB is recruiting. First season or not, he had a full offseason to go find guys. Thelissen, Hamoda, Jones the UMBC guys, and his son are his contribution to this team. Are any of them first-team all MWC type talents? Doubtful.

Craig Smith did not land Neemias, Eric Peterson did. He spent a month overseas following Neemias around. The Odom kid is not on scholarship, he's nothing more than a practice player.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:26 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:19 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Simth landed Queta, his first year on the job. 90% of winning in CBB is recruiting. First season or not, he had a full offseason to go find guys. Thelissen, Hamoda, Jones the UMBC guys, and his son are his contribution to this team. Are any of them first-team all MWC type talents? Doubtful.

Craig Smith did not land Neemias, Eric Peterson did. He spent a month overseas following Neemias around. The Odom kid is not on scholarship, he's nothing more than a practice player.

Does it matter that it was Smith or Peterson? I don't care who on Odem's staff lands the right guys, as long as they are real difference makers.

aggies22 wrote:

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:19 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Simth landed Queta, his first year on the job. 90% of winning in CBB is recruiting. First season or not, he had a full offseason to go find guys. Thelissen, Hamoda, Jones the UMBC guys, and his son are his contribution to this team. Are any of them first-team all MWC type talents? Doubtful.

Craig Smith did not land Neemias, Eric Peterson did. He spent a month overseas following Neemias around. The Odom kid is not on scholarship, he's nothing more than a practice player.

Was anyone else recruiting Neemi? If so do you remember who?


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Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

But did you know Rollie Worster could throw a football 65 yards?

I said this about Craig Smith and now Odom. The 1st class of recruits should be not have much weight on the coach's recruiting ability since the coach and his staff are late to the game since they just got the job.

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Bookmarking this post. What has happened that makes you think you were just drinking koolaid? other than him leaving and hurting your feelers?

And arguing that Smith didn't land Queta is laughable. So what if it was Peterson overseas? Smith hired Peterson. Smith has Peterson at the Ewe. Smith get points for developing Queta and Sam as well.

I said this earlier this year, this team doesn't have anyone that can break down a defense. This team doesn't have a standout player. In basketball you need difference makers, we don't have one. We have a bunch of complementary players.

Blitz79 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 5:39 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑

November 11th, 2021, 3:01 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 11:54 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 8:38 am

I agree, Sam and Neemi really masked a lot of deficiencies in our teams during the Smith era. Sam took over the games when we needed someone to score. Neemi drew double teams and gave Bean easy rebounds and put backs. He also controlled the paint. We don't have those guys anymore. I will put it into neutral, sit back, and watch this team figure out what they want to be. We will also see just how much of a genius Odom is.

Speaking of Sam and Neemi, where's Odem's NBA guy? Stew landed Sam (and Jaycee who was an NBA-worthy talent) and Smith got us Queta. In order to compete for MWC championships, we need one of those guys (or close to it). Who's the alpha dog on this team? Which player are other teams game-planning against?

There seemed to be a lot of hype around Thelissen but he didn't even play last night! At first glance, it appears as though Odem decided to cost this year with Smith's leftovers and some easy pickings from UMBC. Massive fail in recruiting!!

"Massive fail in recruiting"??? He's been here how many months? Maybe give him a minute.
Sam and Queta were IMO the ONLY reason Smith had success. And he was lucky enough to inherit them. I drank that Koolaid and thought Smith was amazing, I will eat all of the words of support I uttered. I hope he tanks at Utah in front of all 2,500 fans. I digress...
At least give Odem a minute to show us what he's got before you dig his grave. From reading this board, it seems like many of you have forgotten what a small insignificant market Logan, UT is for many of these players. But I'm sure some of you Monday morning quarterbacks could do better with your extensive resumes.

Bookmarking this post. What has happened that makes you think you were just drinking koolaid? other than him leaving and hurting your feelers?

And arguing that Smith didn't land Queta is laughable. So what if it was Peterson overseas? Smith hired Peterson. Smith has Peterson at the Ewe. Smith get points for developing Queta and Sam as well.

I said this earlier this year, this team doesn't have anyone that can break down a defense. This team doesn't have a standout player. In basketball you need difference makers, we don't have one. We have a bunch of complementary players.

Go ahead and bookmark it. You lose points for even suggesting Smith has anything to do with Merrill's success. I will give Smith some props for Queta. I had forgotten he had a hand in that.
Here are things that Smith sucked at or didn't do that Odem has already done:
Press
Breaking a press
Teaching players to go to the ball (even Miller amazingly does this now)
Not lying and saying he will be here for the long haul

Smith may have gotten to my feelers. But that's ok. I learned. But you don't find me on here crying about the season being a total bust or Odem sucking when we are two games into a season with one win and a loss by 3. The team still need to grow, and we do need someone to stand out, but I'll be an optimistic fan until the end.

Can those running to Odom’s defense at least learn to spell his name properly?

Odom will be a successful coach here, I am sure of it. But that doesn’t mean we can’t scratch our heads a bit about why certain players were brought back and why certain scholarships were used certain ways.

Asu loses to uc riverside. It happens.

Goose74 wrote: Not lying and saying he will be here for the long haul

The majority of coaches state that they like their job and really want to be there. It goes without saying that a coach would consider a new offer depending on the offer. Things can materialize quickly and I don’t blame anyone for receiving new info and deciding on a career move/opportunity. Coaching is a carousel, and it likely wouldn’t help a coach (or the school) to publicly announce that they are only planning to stick around until a bigger school offers a big pay raise. Some tout loyalty, but almost any employer will can you if they decide they want to go a different direction.

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SLB wrote:

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

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SLB wrote:

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SLB wrote:

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

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Miller getting hurt definitely really has been an issue since last season. He is our best shooter.

Really? I mean there are times he looks like a good shooter, but there’s a reason some people call him Brick Miller. He is a chucker and can’t seem to be consistent. But, I really hope he can find his rhythm this year.

Brock has never been good and SLB’s weird obsession with him is one of the oddest Aggie sports opinions on the board.

This team has very little when it comes to talent. That’s not the fault of the players, it’s the fault of the coaches that brought them here.


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43.5% from 3 before the back injury, and Miller started game like that then his back got injured again led to missed shots. Miller was good last season, but the back injury to Miller was like Chuckie's knee injury never the same since.

Honestly what tf are you taking about? Why are you so obsessed with arguing in favor of Brock Miller?
I don’t think a single other poster on this board has ever argued this point except for you, because it makes absolutely no sense.
Brock came in as a three point specialist that contributes absolutely nothing else on the court besides chucking threes. And was NEVER even good at threes!
Are you referring to his first year here where he shot a whopping 9-19 from the 3pt line? That’s the sample size that you’ve chosen to cling on to?
I’m honestly not convinced you’ve watched an Aggie basketball game while Brock has been on the team, because this makes very literally zero sense.

I don’t even like sh*tting on Brock like this. I’m just not sure how someone can say this team (or any team above the HS level) needs a healthy Brock Miller to help them reach their goals.

This is insanity.






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Your hate for Miller made you miss all last season. Look at the game-by-game stats of last season before his injury, you get 43.5 % from 3 then his stats fall off a cliff because of that back injury. Porter was similar since he was a 40% 3-point shooter then back injury.

I don’t have a shred of hate for Miller, you’re delusional. I’m simply responding to your obsession.

You’re insisting that half of a season of good 3pt shooting makes Brock a good basketball player. Ignoring an entire career where he hasn’t contributed at the 3pt line, or more importantly- any statistical category in basketball.

He has not had any success here as a basketball player.

It looks like without his back injury, he may have eventually been the reliable sharp shooter we’d hoped for when he signed. That doesn’t change the fact that he was never anything more than a guy that was gonna stand there and catch a shoot. I posted a careers worth of stats to prove it. No rebounding, no assists, no defense, nothing except for the half a season with a good 3pt %.

If you weren’t in every basketball related thread insisting that a healthy Brock Miller is the missing piece, no one would have any reason to argue against it because it’s common knowledge that he’s not good enough to be critical to the team. He never was.

This is just weird.


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Last season on offense, it was really the Miller and Queta show both helping each other in getting points with Bean being the great 3rd wheel. When Miller went down late in the season with that back injury, our team lost it then we lost to Boise State and the MWC title. We beat San Diego State twice with a healthy Miller (was our leading scorer in one of those games). Miller was putting together a solid season while being our top shooter, and Miller really developed last season after struggling for years. The back injury with Miller has been something that we have yet to overcome since last season. Miller plays injured since then which leads to missed 3s and many other things.

What led to his massive amount of missed threes in all of his other seasons here? What about every other part of basketball that isn’t shooting?


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Brock, when healthy, actually played okay team defense. He has never been the turn-style that Ashworth is.

This is true. Miller is a good player that came on later in his career that got a bad injury that has taken away his ability to play.

If that is your conclusion, then he shouldn’t see the court until his injury is proven to stop affecting his shooting.

I agree that he is an ok team defender, but we are now missing the key piece that made his team defense non-subpar (Queta).

He basically has no upside trying to play while hurt. Might as well sit him until he is healthy, unless you are just trying to give rest minutes and expect streaky offensive output ( which frankly has been his modus operandi from the start).

There is a famous poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow:
“Once there was a girl, who had a little curl, right in the middle of her forehead,
And when she was good, she was very, very good, but when she was bad she was horrid “

Hurt Miller is horrid. Get him out of there until he isn’t hurt.

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November 11th, 2021, 5:02 pm

Was anyone else recruiting Neemi? If so do you remember who?

Texas Tech and St. Mary's offered Neemi. Maybe other smaller schools as well, but at least those two.

Anyone who can’t see Smith was a terrible recruiter is fooling themselves. It was hands down the worst part of his coaching profile. He just didn’t do it.
Lucked out with Nemi and the roster we are left with today is entirely Smith’s fault.

That said, Odom is responsible for what happens this season and going forward.


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ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

November 10th, 2021, 12:13 pm

Blechhhhh. Some great pub from the college basketball Twitterverse.

Hope these a-holes got some blowback on these wild over-reach opinions. Those are some moronic conclusions for the first game of the season.

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote: ↑

November 12th, 2021, 8:49 am

Anyone who can’t see Smith was a terrible recruiter is fooling themselves. It was hands down the worst part of his coaching profile. He just didn’t do it.
Lucked out with Nemi and the roster we are left with today is entirely Smith’s fault.

That said, Odom is responsible for what happens this season and going forward.


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Hold the press! You’re saying Odom is in charge of the program he was hired to be in charge of?!?!

Odom looking pretty good right now.

Pacobag wrote:Odom looking pretty good right now.

And many on here looking like idiots.


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JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2021, 3:34 pm

Pacobag wrote:Odom looking pretty good right now.

And many on here looking like idiots.


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As per the norm

Odom looking just fine right now. To go 4-0 on the east coast road trip is really impressive.

I am bipolar about USU sports.

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November 21st, 2021, 3:36 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2021, 3:34 pm

Pacobag wrote:Odom looking pretty good right now.

And many on here looking like idiots.


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As per the norm

I sooooooooo agree!! Congrats Aggies on a great trip back east.

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2021, 3:34 pm

Pacobag wrote:Odom looking pretty good right now.

And many on here looking like idiots.


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Well if I may, given what’s transpired the title in this post is more true than ever.

Aggies have closed out the last 8 minutes very well against Richmond and OU. Coaching staff had team prepared on short prep all tournament.

Long pass to bean was great call and play design on inbounds and fouling was another great call.

Great job coach Odom, staff and players

We should still get rid of all our staff because we lost one!

Aggies can only win away games. Print it.