Did anyone else catch the ref coming on the court, tap SJSU player on the shoulder tell him to get out of the key.

Yep. Spencer Nelson on broadcast said it was karma Moore lost the ball because the official did that instead of calling it

Yes! I was ticked until they lost it out of bounds.

Impersonal Foul wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 6:49 pm

Did anyone else catch the ref coming on the court, tap SJSU player on the shoulder tell him to get out of the key.

Even more proof the MWC actively sides against us. This was in the final minute and could have decided the game.

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I couldn't believe my eyes when that happened. What a terrible job of officiating. I was going to download the game video to see if it actually happened. I've never seen that before.

There has to be something done about refs who blatantly do things like this. That ref should be fined. This isn’t rec ball for little kids. That ref was so dramatic and making todays game about him. He needs to be suspended or fined or it will continue. Todays refs don’t have any account tability.

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January 21st, 2023, 7:09 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:06 pm

Impersonal Foul wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 6:49 pm

Did anyone else catch the ref coming on the court, tap SJSU player on the shoulder tell him to get out of the key.

Even more proof the MWC actively sides against us. This was in the final minute and could have decided the game.

@aggies22

I've tried to tell you.

Odom's staff needs to send this to the conference and the NCAA. This guy shouldn't officiate another game.

I spoke with the guy that evaluates high school referees for northern Utah. He said he instructs his referees to not call 3 seconds unless the player does not move out of the key after being warned. Can’t imagine this not also being taught at the college level.


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The flop on ashworth was a terrible call as well and resulted in 4 points

SectionBAggie wrote:I've seen it quite a bit - in Junior Jazz practices. Absolutely unheard of in a DI game.

There was also a major blunder in the first half where SJS threw the ball in the backcourt for a TO and the refs called for a 20-second reset on the shot clock.

Two egregious calls with no practical explanation.

We (students) were right in his ear as the ball was inbounded that they only put 20 seconds on the clock…


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LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:27 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:21 pm

The flop on ashworth was a terrible call as well and resulted in 4 points

I have the flopping rule, esspecially for a defensive player. If you flop you put yourself out of position that should be punishment enough. I get it for offensive players that flail to get contact and a foul, but it shouldn't be called on the defense.

Odom told us at the luncheon that he got a email with suggestions for rule changes and told them he wants to get rid of the flop rule for that reason.

I’m an Aggie fan. I like the forum. I like all of you.

BUT—you gotta stop worrying so much about referees. Please. It’s embarrassing. It belongs on cougarboard.

There is no conspiracy involving officials or the MW wanting to make the Aggies lose.

You’ll be much happier if you focus on players, the game itself, and the coaching staff.

May God have mercy on your souls.

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FeartheFro wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm

I spoke with the guy that evaluates high school referees for northern Utah. He said he instructs his referees to not call 3 seconds unless the player does not move out of the key after being warned. Can’t imagine this not also being taught at the college level.


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At face value, I guess you can make that claim. But if a player is in the key for 10 seconds (not this case) without warning, is it then legal?

I’m only repeating what was told to me by someone that watches high school games 3 nights a week. I guess if someone is in the key for 10 seconds and it is not called, it is legal.


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Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 8:31 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:21 pm

The flop on ashworth was a terrible call as well and resulted in 4 points

That call pissed me off. There was no way that was a flop and was such an easy charge call to make but the douche ref called it a flop. Just an awful awful call. Huge momentum swing for the Spartans.

That ref got butt hurt when the student section chanted “take his whistle.”

So I was told by a friend who’s a camera person that coming off the court that ginger ref called our team and our fan base a bunch of little (I can’t express myself without cursing).
If that’s true he said that there needs to be an investigation because there’s clear bias with him. He was calling bad calls against us all game and plus the 3 seconds thing is the cherry on top.

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January 21st, 2023, 8:36 pm

So I was told by a friend who’s a camera person that coming off the court that ginger ref called our team and our fan base a bunch of little (I can’t express myself without cursing).
If that’s true he said that there needs to be an investigation because there’s clear bias with him. He was calling bad calls against us all game and plus the 3 seconds thing is the cherry on top.

Someone should report that to odom so it can be reported to the league office. If true, don’t want his sorry a$$ back in the spectrum

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FeartheFro wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:53 pm

I’m only repeating what was told to me by someone that watches high school games 3 nights a week. I guess if someone is in the key for 10 seconds and it is not called, it is legal.


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A better wording would be how long can a player be in the key before a ref makes the call without a warning?

Based on what I was told, a ref won’t make the call until he has told that player to move out of the key. If said player doesn’t move, 3 seconds is called (at least with high school refs in northern utah).


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jazzdog56466 wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:43 pm

I’m an Aggie fan. I like the forum. I like all of you.

BUT—you gotta stop worrying so much about referees. Please. It’s embarrassing. It belongs on cougarboard.

There is no conspiracy involving officials or the MW wanting to make the Aggies lose.

You’ll be much happier if you focus on players, the game itself, and the coaching staff.

May God have mercy on your souls.

Agreed. And I will even go further and say I have no problem with what the ref did at the end. I like refs that talk to players and when he did so it had zero impact on the play. SJS was not making any kind of play on the basket at the time. If they had been, he needed to blow the whistle. I thought that ref made some very bad calls but he did so both ways.

FeartheFro wrote:

SectionBAggie wrote:

FeartheFro wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:53 pm

I’m only repeating what was told to me by someone that watches high school games 3 nights a week. I guess if someone is in the key for 10 seconds and it is not called, it is legal.


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A better wording would be how long can a player be in the key before a ref makes the call without a warning?

Based on what I was told, a ref won’t make the call until he has told that player to move out of the key. If said player doesn’t move, 3 seconds is called (at least with high school refs in northern utah).


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In high school, that is fine. In Division 1 basketball? I have never seen that happen, ever. I know we get called for 3 seconds without warnings from the friendly refs. I don’t care what their intentions are, whether they are killing time on the clock or not. He is in camping in the lane. They are D1 players and should know the rules.

Also, on a side note about complaining about refs, this is the best time to complain about refs, when we’ve won. We are not blaming a loss on refs as an excuse. We are clear headed and not in the throes of a loss.

Edit: oh and refs that talk to players is different than running on the court to push a player out of the lane so he doesn’t have to call it.


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You guys are forgetting the most important flop(charge) call. It was the, “oh that was a hard push, I forgot to fall but I think I will do it anyway” charge that Akin got called in the second half. Akin should never go into acting. I have seen soccer players fake it better than that.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:27 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑

January 21st, 2023, 7:21 pm

The flop on ashworth was a terrible call as well and resulted in 4 points

I hate the flopping rule, esspecially for a defensive player. If you flop you put yourself out of position that should be punishment enough. I get it for offensive players that flail to get contact and a foul, but it shouldn't be called on the defense.

If they are going to keep the flopping rule, they should treat it more like soccer where advantage is given. If the advantage isn't immediately realized, they can stop play and assess the flopping call. The way they let the 3pointer go in and then assess a flop (which in this case wasn't really a flop) is stupid.

MrBiggle wrote:You guys are forgetting the most important flop(charge) call. It was the, “oh that was a hard push, I forgot to fall but I think I will do it anyway” charge that Akin got called in the second half. Akin should never go into acting. I have seen soccer players fake it better than that.

Akin doesn’t have to fall down for the foul to be called a charge. It was a charge. He did flop after the fact but it can’t be called a charge and a flop at the same time. It was correctly called a charge when he lowered his shoulder and hit Akin.


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I heard a high school ref respond back to a player that was complaining about calls. The ref said "Look. I'm not reffing any worse than you're playing, so shut your mouth and we'll both worry about our own jobs."

Here is the video of the call. I don’t really have any logical explanation for this.

How often is 3 seconds called? And do you really expect that call in the final minute of a tied game? Where the fact that he was in the key was providing no real advantage in that moment?

Warn the guy and if he gets out no problem.

I think the ref did the right thing.

Mr. Sneelock wrote:How often is 3 seconds called? And do you really expect that call in the final minute of a tied game? Where the fact that he was in the key was providing no real advantage in that moment?

Warn the guy and if he gets out no problem.

I think the ref did the right thing.

There’s a difference between warming and talking to players and actually physically coming on the court and give him a push out of the lane.


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To those of you think there is some big conspiracy by the MW to screw us out of games I am curious: why is the MW out to get us exactly? Would the reasons they dislike us not also equally apply to a handful of other programs in the MW like the Josers?