Ashworth Interview

aceofspadeskb · Post by **aceofspadeskb** » April 27th, 2023, 2:20 pm

https://omny.fm/shows/hans-scotty-g/han ... rth-former

AggieFella · Post by **AggieFella** » April 27th, 2023, 2:54 pm

thrashsoundly · Post by **thrashsoundly** » April 27th, 2023, 2:55 pm

NAR? Any TLDL? - not going to waste my time.

TrueBlue · Post by **TrueBlue** » April 27th, 2023, 2:57 pm

If you only want to hear about USU, skip to about the 24:00 minute mark. They had to discuss how hard it was to turn BYU down first and how ultimately Crieghton was deemed a better spot. Seems like it was a 2 horse race.

The rest is spent talking about how with the "collectives" the money is more guaranteed, and how NIL through business (the way it was kind of intended) is risky except for big name athletes. It is interesting from that perspective, it's just annoying in this interview because it's one of our old players.

Also talks a good deal about what the transfer portal experience is like.

Agezzz · Post by **Agezzz** » April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm

Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!

SLB · Post by **SLB** » April 27th, 2023, 3:06 pm

Ashworth partly hinted at why from being a Duryea commit to playing for Smith then playing for Odom then Odom leaving was the straw that broke the camel's back.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 27th, 2023, 3:23 pm

RIP Ashworth

Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm

Agezzz wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm
Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!

Seriously. Homeboy is really trying to move into Voldemort type status as "he who shall not be named." I'm glad he didn't come back now that we're learning more about his difficulty in not going to the team down south.

With each passing day the loyalty from Sam Merrill and Justin Bean is more and more appreciated. This kid sounds so full of himself like so many Utah county kids. Smell ya later.

mike1126 · Post by **mike1126** » April 27th, 2023, 3:53 pm

No interest in listening. After all , he went for the money. Just tell us the truth.

FL350Aggie · Post by **FL350Aggie** » April 27th, 2023, 3:55 pm

Ashworth says, “I’m leaving because of all the coaching changes at USU”

Ashworth then proceeds to find a new coach.

In the end I would have been more upset had he gone to YBU, but I would have enjoyed watching him lose almost every Big 12 game. Would have eased the pain for sure.

gomretat · Post by **gomretat** » April 27th, 2023, 4:20 pm

I am not sure how anyone who knows anything about Ashworth and his background would think that he wasn't seriously considering the Cougies. It is in his DNA and the DNA of all things Lone Peak.

YouEssYou · Post by **YouEssYou** » April 27th, 2023, 4:28 pm

What if one of the current byu players told him the cougars didn't come through on the promised amount of money to him? I wonder if that would affect one's decision on whether to play for them or not? Just total speculation on my part.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » April 27th, 2023, 5:05 pm

Aggies1888 · Post by **Aggies1888** » April 27th, 2023, 5:18 pm

AggieUprising50 · Post by **AggieUprising50** » April 27th, 2023, 6:31 pm

TrueBlue wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 2:57 pm
If you only want to hear about USU, skip to about the 24:00 minute mark. They had to discuss how hard it was to turn BYU down first and how ultimately Crieghton was deemed a better spot. Seems like it was a 2 horse race.

The rest is spent talking about how with the "collectives" the money is more guaranteed, and how NIL through business (the way it was kind of intended) is risky except for big name athletes. It is interesting from that perspective, it's just annoying in this interview because it's one of our old players.

Also talks a good deal about what the transfer portal experience is like.

I actually thought his experience and perspective on the NIL/Collective situation was insightful. He mentioned that there are a lot of players that sign NIL deals with businesses but end up not getting as much money as was initially promised or they don't live up to expectations, which then puts strain on the businesses and makes them think twice about doing an NIL deal with an athlete.

He then made the point that athletes preferred the collectives because its more guaranteed and that it feels more like a donation than a contract.

It actually gave me hope that there could possibly be a good solution for this NIL and transfer portal era. If the NCAA would be brave enough to ban collectives and make rules to deter businesses that are heavily involved with sponsoring NIL deals for opposing teams from poaching players (cough cough Built Bar), it would help even the playing field for schools like USU while at the same time allowing the big-time players to get their pay day.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 27th, 2023, 7:16 pm

AggieUprising50 wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 6:31 pm

TrueBlue wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 2:57 pm
If you only want to hear about USU, skip to about the 24:00 minute mark. They had to discuss how hard it was to turn BYU down first and how ultimately Crieghton was deemed a better spot. Seems like it was a 2 horse race.

The rest is spent talking about how with the "collectives" the money is more guaranteed, and how NIL through business (the way it was kind of intended) is risky except for big name athletes. It is interesting from that perspective, it's just annoying in this interview because it's one of our old players.

Also talks a good deal about what the transfer portal experience is like.
I actually thought his experience and perspective on the NIL/Collective situation was insightful. He mentioned that there are a lot of players that sign NIL deals with businesses but end up not getting as much money as was initially promised or they don't live up to expectations, which then puts strain on the businesses and makes them think twice about doing an NIL deal with an athlete.

He then made the point that athletes preferred the collectives because its more guaranteed and that it feels more like a donation than a contract.

It actually gave me hope that there could possibly be a good solution for this NIL and transfer portal era. If the NCAA would be brave enough to ban collectives and make rules to deter businesses that are heavily involved with sponsoring NIL deals for opposing teams from poaching players (cough cough Built Bar), it would help even the playing field for schools like USU while at the same time allowing the big-time players to get their pay day.

NCAA would never be that brave.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm

Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future

I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 27th, 2023, 7:43 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future

What do you mean? Odom had just finished 2 years of a 5 contract. He was offered an extension. Odom was very well taken care of.

cval · Post by **cval** » April 27th, 2023, 7:47 pm

It would appear that not getting an extension had very little to do with Odom leaving.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » April 27th, 2023, 8:00 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:43 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
What do you mean? Odom had just finished 2 years of a 5 contract. He was offered an extension. Odom was very well taken care of.

Yeah money and an extension weren't the issue with Odom. He wanted to be out of Logan as soon as he could.

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » April 27th, 2023, 8:01 pm

If it was hard for Ashworth to turn down BYU then that tells me all I need to know about Ashworth.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 27th, 2023, 8:05 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 8:00 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:43 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
What do you mean? Odom had just finished 2 years of a 5 contract. He was offered an extension. Odom was very well taken care of.
Yeah money and an extension weren't the issue with Odom. He wanted to be out of Logan as soon as he could.

Agreed but it's not that he was treated badly. He was on his way out half way through the season. Logan was a short term thing for him but it's not because the program did anything wrong with him.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » April 27th, 2023, 9:04 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.

Sprinkle won't be any different. He's not an Aggie. We need to fix our coaching retention issues.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 27th, 2023, 9:09 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:04 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.
Sprinkle won't be any different. He's not an Aggie. We need to fix our coaching retention issues.

What would be your suggestion to fix the retention issues?

USUaggie · Post by **USUaggie** » April 27th, 2023, 9:13 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:04 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.
Sprinkle won't be any different. He's not an Aggie. We need to fix our coaching retention issues.

There will always be schools willing to pay way more than we can offer. Even an Aggie alum will be pulled away.

But, the more we pay the smaller the number of schools that will pay more.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » April 27th, 2023, 9:16 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:06 pm
Ashworth partly hinted at why from being a Duryea commit to playing for Smith then playing for Odom then Odom leaving was the straw that broke the camel's back.

And so he elects to play for another completely new coach? No. The straw that broke the camel’s back was the $$$$.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » April 27th, 2023, 9:18 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm

Agezzz wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm
Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!
Seriously. Homeboy is really trying to move into Voldemort type status as "he who shall not be named." I'm glad he didn't come back now that we're learning more about his difficulty in not going to the team down south.

With each passing day the loyalty from Sam Merrill and Justin Bean is more and more appreciated. This kid sounds so full of himself like so many Utah county kids. Smell ya later.

NIL, collectives and the transfer portal have completely changed the loyalty paradeigm.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » April 27th, 2023, 9:22 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.

Even aside from Odom being an East Coast guy we were never going to be in a fair contest to retain him as long as he was going to make twice as much elsewhere.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » April 27th, 2023, 9:44 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:18 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm

Agezzz wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm
Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!
Seriously. Homeboy is really trying to move into Voldemort type status as "he who shall not be named." I'm glad he didn't come back now that we're learning more about his difficulty in not going to the team down south.

With each passing day the loyalty from Sam Merrill and Justin Bean is more and more appreciated. This kid sounds so full of himself like so many Utah county kids. Smell ya later.
NIL, collectives and the transfer portal have completely changed the loyalty paradeigm.

Yeah it is unfair to bring up people from the past who played before the transfer portal and NIL and use them as beacons of loyalty. We don't know what they would have done had they had opportunities for much more money and immediate playing time without sitting out a year.

Gidbob · Post by **Gidbob** » April 28th, 2023, 1:01 am

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm
Smell ya later.

MarioWest · Post by **MarioWest** » April 28th, 2023, 6:24 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 7:24 pm
Hard to blame him. We didn't do our job to take care of our last coach. If we don't fix our issues with this soon, it'll be worse in the future
I’ll push back a little on this. I don’t think Odom was really worthy of an extension in the January timeframe in which I’ve heard he had gripes. We underachieved and went to the NIT last year, and were on the outside looking in as to the tourney this year at that time. Why was Odom extension-worthy at that point?

I also think we were ALWAYS going to be a pit stop for Odom. He came here without visiting the campus, rented a home here, and outside of Zee Hamoda, he recruited only low hanging fruit Utah/Cache Valley kids and his former players/kids he knew at other schools. None of those are the actions of a guy that actually planned on staying here.

Not suggesting there aren’t problems behind the scenes (of that I have no inside information), but I think Odom was always gone this year or next.

This is revisionist history. Absolutely no one thought the 2021-2022 team would make the NCAA tournament. The NIT was a good result for that team. Conference play was disappointing after winning Myrtle Beach, but the reality is that only happened because Horvath played way over his head in non-conference. And that team was famously unlucky.

In hindsight, my biggest problem with Odom’s first year was bringing Horvath over Akin. Odom couldn’t have known how Bean’s shot would develop, so I understand why he opted for Horvath, but that team would have been much better with Akin.

Odom at least matched expectations in year one and obviously overachieved year two. While there were some valid concerns about his recruiting, the on-court results absolutely merited an extension.

Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » April 28th, 2023, 9:19 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:44 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:18 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm

Agezzz wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm
Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!
Seriously. Homeboy is really trying to move into Voldemort type status as "he who shall not be named." I'm glad he didn't come back now that we're learning more about his difficulty in not going to the team down south.

With each passing day the loyalty from Sam Merrill and Justin Bean is more and more appreciated. This kid sounds so full of himself like so many Utah county kids. Smell ya later.
NIL, collectives and the transfer portal have completely changed the loyalty paradeigm.
Yeah it is unfair to bring up people from the past who played before the transfer portal and NIL and use them as beacons of loyalty. We don't know what they would have done had they had opportunities for much more money and immediate playing time without sitting out a year.

That's a fair point. It's completely hypothetical but I would die on the hill that Sam and likely Justin would never have left Utah State.

Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Steven won't be either.

Bank Shot · Post by **Bank Shot** » April 28th, 2023, 10:30 am

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 28th, 2023, 9:19 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:44 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:18 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:41 pm

Agezzz wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:03 pm
Can we move on from Ashworth. He played well for us but he's gone. And if he really was considering BYU, he lost ALL MY INTEREST!!!
Seriously. Homeboy is really trying to move into Voldemort type status as "he who shall not be named." I'm glad he didn't come back now that we're learning more about his difficulty in not going to the team down south.

With each passing day the loyalty from Sam Merrill and Justin Bean is more and more appreciated. This kid sounds so full of himself like so many Utah county kids. Smell ya later.
NIL, collectives and the transfer portal have completely changed the loyalty paradeigm.
Yeah it is unfair to bring up people from the past who played before the transfer portal and NIL and use them as beacons of loyalty. We don't know what they would have done had they had opportunities for much more money and immediate playing time without sitting out a year.
That's a fair point. It's completely hypothetical but I would die on the hill that Sam and likely Justin would never have left Utah State.

Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. Steven won't be either.

Just another #3 that had one very good year. I don't really care one way or another how he does at Creighton, but I do understand the $$$.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » April 28th, 2023, 2:25 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 9:16 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
April 27th, 2023, 3:06 pm
Ashworth partly hinted at why from being a Duryea commit to playing for Smith then playing for Odom then Odom leaving was the straw that broke the camel's back.
And so he elects to play for another completely new coach? No. The straw that broke the camel’s back was the $$$$.

It may have been the straw but it wasn't the 2000lb load.

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