Has this been discussed before?

signalwar · Post by **signalwar** » February 17th, 2024, 10:40 pm

Maybe now is not the best time?

Dorius v Johnson v Sakho

Would there have been any/much difference?

Bluestar · Post by **Bluestar** » February 17th, 2024, 11:14 pm

Dorius probably wouldn’t have been so easy to back down to the basket as Johnson but is not as athletic as Sako and can’t shoot the three like Johnson. Challenges with all three.

ToastedFlakes52 · Post by **ToastedFlakes52** » February 17th, 2024, 11:20 pm

I don't understand why we didn't just recruit Victor Wembanyama. Gross negligence on behalf of all our previous coaching staffs smh.

twentytwocactus · Post by **twentytwocactus** » February 18th, 2024, 1:38 pm

I would 100% rather have dorius more than sahko because he was so damn strong and was capable of scoring down low.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » February 18th, 2024, 1:40 pm

I wish we had Dorius to start and play 10-15 minutes a game and then bring Johnson off the bench.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm

Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » February 18th, 2024, 3:11 pm

So basically FMK with Dorius, Johnson, and Sakho.

Sakho is getting killed in every iteration. Dorius and Johnson are both worlds better than Sakho. Sakho is a backup JC big.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » February 18th, 2024, 5:43 pm

Great makes it hard to play with a traditional center. Hurts our spacing that Great can't shoot outside .

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.

If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » February 18th, 2024, 6:35 pm

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.
If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.

Now play along with me here, what if he is already 75% as good as they were? He just plays less minutes, but on a per 40 basis here are their stats.

Player, points(per40), fg%, 3%, ft%, asts(per40), reb(40), block(40), steal(40)
A: 18.35, .525, .327, .602, 3.49, 8.44, .67, .75
B: 17.57, .474, .333, .821, 2.48, 8.51, 1.56, .84
C: 17.67, .451, .370, .900, 2.28, 7.25, .97, 1.15

I don't know about you, but all three of those dudes look pretty similar to me. Two of them were seniors the other is a sophmore.

Johnsons biggest issue is not fouling so he can stay on the floor.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » February 18th, 2024, 6:36 pm

We are now comparing RS Senior Dorius to RS SO Johnson. Sheesh

SLB · Post by **SLB** » February 18th, 2024, 6:38 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:35 pm

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.
If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.
Now play along with me here, what if he is already 75% as good as they were? He just plays less minutes, but on a per 40 basis here are their stats.

Player, points(per40), fg%, 3%, ft%, asts(per40), reb(40), block(40), steal(40)
A: 18.35, .525, .327, .602, 3.49, 8.44, .67, .75
B: 17.57, .474, .333, .821, 2.48, 8.51, 1.56, .84
C: 17.67, .451, .370, .900, 2.28, 7.25, .97, 1.15

I don't know about you, but all three of those dudes look pretty similar to me.

Johnsons biggest issue is not fouling so he can stay on the floor.

Johnson gets the double whammy with fouls.
He commits too many while the refs call countless BS fouls on Johnson.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm

Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » February 18th, 2024, 7:58 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.

If true, I may have to change my mind on capitalism.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.

Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » February 18th, 2024, 9:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.
Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?

Blake screws us again.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » February 18th, 2024, 9:49 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.
Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?

1- UVU has a bunch of younger wealthy alumni from the whole silicon slopes deal & those tech companies.

2- They don’t have to fund a football program.

quirky · Post by **quirky** » February 18th, 2024, 10:29 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.
Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?

it's probably going to be the essential oil MLMs who couldn't partner with byu, so they decided that uvu was the next best thing

btw good for trevin, love that guy

brian5562 · Post by **brian5562** » February 19th, 2024, 9:07 am

I'd take Sakho over Dorius. He does a much better job in the pick and roll defense. I'd like to see us use him a bit more as a rim runner on pick and rolls and get a few lobs to him each game. He has the athletic ability to be better than Dorius.

twentytwocactus · Post by **twentytwocactus** » February 19th, 2024, 11:50 am

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.
If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.

Funk was an extremely smart player. High bball IQ, I don't think Johnson will every come close to Funk in that aspect, but I can see him making lots of improvement in his conditioning and quickness.

AggiePT · Post by **AggiePT** » February 19th, 2024, 11:51 am

brian5562 wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2024, 9:07 am
I'd take Sakho over Dorius. He does a much better job in the pick and roll defense. I'd like to see us use him a bit more as a rim runner on pick and rolls and get a few lobs to him each game. He has the athletic ability to be better than Dorius.

I agree that Sakho has the potential to eventually become better than Dorius. But Dorius played great in the second half of last season. He was getting aggressive at the rim. And his hands appeared to get better with controlling rebounds and passes into the post. I think having him for 15 minutes on this years team would be a huge boost.

twentytwocactus · Post by **twentytwocactus** » February 19th, 2024, 11:55 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:35 pm

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.
If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.
Now play along with me here, what if he is already 75% as good as they were? He just plays less minutes, but on a per 40 basis here are their stats.

Player, points(per40), fg%, 3%, ft%, asts(per40), reb(40), block(40), steal(40)
A: 18.35, .525, .327, .602, 3.49, 8.44, .67, .75
B: 17.57, .474, .333, .821, 2.48, 8.51, 1.56, .84
C: 17.67, .451, .370, .900, 2.28, 7.25, .97, 1.15

I don't know about you, but all three of those dudes look pretty similar to me. Two of them were seniors the other is a sophmore.

Johnsons biggest issue is not fouling so he can stay on the floor.

Math is great, but you watch them play the actual minutes and Funk had a much bigger impact than Johnson.

twentytwocactus · Post by **twentytwocactus** » February 19th, 2024, 11:56 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.

This is true.

twentytwocactus · Post by **twentytwocactus** » February 19th, 2024, 11:58 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.
Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks our football team is useless.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » February 19th, 2024, 1:14 pm

twentytwocactus wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2024, 11:58 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 8:37 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:47 pm
Guys, UVU gave Dorius $40k & a car to go there.

That’s more commitment NIL money than any player on our team got to come to USU.
Excuse me, but how the (I can't express myself without swearing) does an open enrollment commuter school with no real fan base out NIL us?

Is it because we have a nearly useless football team that is diluting our NIL for 6-7 seasons?
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks our football team is useless.

Let me clarify — not useless in the sense of providing entertainment. They do provide that. But throwing significant NIL money at our football program is like screaming into a void or lighting money on fire (choose your metaphor). We have a near zero chance of ever competing on the national scale. The expanded playoff changes that a little bit, but we are so much further away from being a “have” in football than in basketball that it’s not even funny.

Post by **AggiesForever** » February 19th, 2024, 1:29 pm

We don't need to compete on a national scale. We just need to compete on the Mountain West scale.

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » February 19th, 2024, 4:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 6:36 pm
We are now comparing RS Senior Dorius to RS SO Johnson. Sheesh

Allow me to preface my comment here with two facts.
1. I always advocated for Dorius; I think the boards short shrifted him most the time
2. I've not always seen eye-to-eye with SLB

SLB is absolutely correct here and is the most reasonable person in this conversation.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » February 19th, 2024, 4:59 pm

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2024, 1:29 pm
We don't need to compete on a national scale. We just need to compete on the Mountain West scale.

I would greatly enjoy winning a few tourney games.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » February 20th, 2024, 10:30 am

twentytwocactus wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2024, 11:50 am

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2024, 2:45 pm
Dorius vs Johnson is not a fair comparison. They play different roles. Johnson plays more of a Horvath or Funk role than a Dorius role.

And if you are making that comparison, Horvath and Funk were both clearly better. But give Johnson 2 more years and he will likely be there.
If Johnson develops into 75 percent as skilled as Horvath or Funk we are in good shape.
Funk was an extremely smart player. High bball IQ, I don't think Johnson will every come close to Funk in that aspect, but I can see him making lots of improvement in his conditioning and quickness.

Horvath was similar. Both very skilled players with high basketball IQ. I just wish we had both for more than a year.

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » February 20th, 2024, 7:03 pm

Johnson shoots free throws way better than Horvath did so we have that.

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