Todd Simon - Bowling Green

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 25th, 2024, 5:08 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:03 pm
I don't think it will be Simon. I think we're getting the alphabet soup guy from Toledo based on the early buzz. We're the only ones even talking about Simon as an option.

And unless Andy Hill can keep everyone on the roster, I don't want him either.

Simon has MWC coaching experience.
https://unlvrebels.com/sports/mens-bask ... -simon/172

FromLItoLogan · Post by **FromLItoLogan** » March 25th, 2024, 5:16 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 4:57 pm
Simon would be logical pick with his consistent winning with teams that are hard to win with.
Like Sprinkle, Simon could bring good players with him.
I wonder if Simon could get Dave Rice as assistant coach.

If it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.

columbusaggie · Post by **columbusaggie** » March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm

His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.

Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5

BasketballAgg · Post by **BasketballAgg** » March 25th, 2024, 5:31 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.

Four straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???

BasketballAgg · Post by **BasketballAgg** » March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5

Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…

EngineeringAggie · Post by **EngineeringAggie** » March 25th, 2024, 5:39 pm

FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:16 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 4:57 pm
Simon would be logical pick with his consistent winning with teams that are hard to win with.
Like Sprinkle, Simon could bring good players with him.
I wonder if Simon could get Dave Rice as assistant coach.
If it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.

ADs are constantly trying to make the next big splash with their hires. They almost never chose the common sense guy because that’s boring. They need somebody that will be so good that even they get noticed. That way they don’t ever have to move their family to Cache Valley.

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » March 25th, 2024, 6:04 pm

Hoot wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 2:54 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 2:05 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 1:56 pm
I'm all in on Todd Simon
Don’t tell @Hoot , his mom might be jealous
I’ve got bad news if you think @Aggie formerly in Hawaii is the only guy she’s seeing.

We all know that she is seeing you too and as long as you, AFIH, and your mom are happy then NOBODY CARES! Well, maybe @FloridaAggie13 cares.

BTW, tell your mom I said Hi and I'll be over the next time I need to take a

.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » March 25th, 2024, 6:08 pm

EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:39 pm

FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:16 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 4:57 pm
Simon would be logical pick with his consistent winning with teams that are hard to win with.
Like Sprinkle, Simon could bring good players with him.
I wonder if Simon could get Dave Rice as assistant coach.
If it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.
ADs are constantly trying to make the next big splash with their hires. They almost never chose the common sense guy because that’s boring. They need somebody that will be so good that even they get noticed. That way they don’t ever have to move their family to Cache Valley.

Fair point, but I don't view the Toledo coach as a splashy hire. If the choices are Toledo coach or Simon, I say Simon. If there's a splashy hire that trumps them, so be it. But of the two I want Simon.

Aggiesbleedblue · Post by **Aggiesbleedblue** » March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pm

I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.

Rabidchild · Post by **Rabidchild** » March 25th, 2024, 6:20 pm

Simon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.

My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » March 25th, 2024, 6:22 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pm
I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.

I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?

I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.

Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?

Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.

Aggiesbleedblue · Post by **Aggiesbleedblue** » March 25th, 2024, 6:52 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:22 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pm
I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?

I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.

Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?

Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.

I know he’s coming off a down year, but I really wanted Joe Pasternack the last 2 cycles. Has won nearly 70% of his games and 4 Big West championships in the last 4 years (regular season and tournament champs in both ‘21 and ‘23). And he could also bring along Ajay Mitchell (20 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg) and Yohan Traore (14 ppg and 5 rpg). He interviewed for it last year. I’d rather hire someone who has at least been to an NCAA tournament before personally

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » March 25th, 2024, 9:43 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pm
I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?

I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.

Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?

Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.

If only we had an example of a successful coach at Colorado State leaving the program to come take over at Utah State!!!

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slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » March 25th, 2024, 9:51 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:52 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:22 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pm
I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?

I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.

Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?

Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.
I know he’s coming off a down year, but I really wanted Joe Pasternack the last 2 cycles. Has won nearly 70% of his games and 4 Big West championships in the last 4 years (regular season and tournament champs in both ‘21 and ‘23). And he could also bring along Ajay Mitchell (20 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg) and Yohan Traore (14 ppg and 5 rpg). He interviewed for it last year. I’d rather hire someone who has at least been to an NCAA tournament before personally

Not sure his family would like the move from Santa Barbara to Logan.

But love his comment about greener pastures. Maybe that’s coach speak

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 26th, 2024, 1:24 am

FootballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:31 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Four straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???

Simon over the last 4 seasons W-L record is 85-41 (overall win percentage of 67.5)
Has not had a losing recording since the 2017-2018 season.
In his last season at SUU, he faced Sprinkle.
Check how close this game was
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401489096
That Montana State team had Osobor, Brown, and Battle

blueaggie · Post by **blueaggie** » March 28th, 2024, 6:57 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 26th, 2024, 1:24 am

FootballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:31 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Four straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???
Simon over the last 4 seasons W-L record is 85-41 (overall win percentage of 67.5)
Has not had a losing recording since the 2017-2018 season.
In his last season at SUU, he faced Sprinkle.
Check how close this game was
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401489096
That Montana State team had Osobor, Brown, and Battle

It seems to be a no brainer. Hopefully it will be Todd.

Attorney General · Post by **Attorney General** » March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…

Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pm

Attorney General wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…
Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.

And a senior heavy roster.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pm

Attorney General wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…
Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.
And a senior heavy roster.

Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 29th, 2024, 6:43 am

Rabidchild wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:20 pm
Simon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.

My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.

My take on the transfer portal with the Aggies is that we get what the coach has in connections not so much NIL deals. Sprinkle and Hill brought in Brown, Osobor, Burris, Martinez, Uduje, and Jackson Grant due to prior connections. Odom brought in RJ Eytle-Rock, Akin, Funk, and Horvath due to prior connections. There are players that come here out of love of the Aggies in Jones and Johnson.
Simon did pretty well with the portal/JC when considering the limited resources at SUU and Bowling Green, but the transfer portal is getting overplayed at this point. It is better to go against the all-in transfer portal approach and get high-end HS players that are getting overlooked. This is why I lean to Todd Simon with the hope of having Dave Rice as an assistant coach.

Attorney General · Post by **Attorney General** » March 29th, 2024, 7:26 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pm

Attorney General wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…
Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.
And a senior heavy roster.
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill

Again, stare at the non-conference schedule and consider the weakness of the MAC overall this season. Not a typical year in which a 20-win season is celebrated.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » March 29th, 2024, 7:40 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pm

Attorney General wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pm

columbusaggie wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 5:26 pm
His record is not great, I’m digging coal K.
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…
Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.
And a senior heavy roster.
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill

Nm.

BigBlueDart · Post by **BigBlueDart** » March 29th, 2024, 8:24 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:40 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill
Man, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.

This meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » March 29th, 2024, 9:30 am

BigBlueDart wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:24 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:40 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill
Man, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.
This meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.

Exactly the cupboard was bare at bowling green when he arrived so he had to bring in a lot of trasnfers. All things considered it was a solid job by Simon in his first year at BG.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » March 29th, 2024, 9:31 am

BigBlueDart wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:24 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:40 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am

Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green

plus JC players like Marcus Hill
Man, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.
This meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.

Thanks. I'm a little slow sometimes. You're right I misread it.

BasketballAgg · Post by **BasketballAgg** » March 29th, 2024, 9:49 am

The idea of landing Marcus Hill is very very appealing to the case of Todd Simon

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » March 29th, 2024, 9:50 am

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:49 am
The idea of landing Marcus Hill is very very appealing to the case of Todd Simon

He's available:

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 11:39 am

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 6:43 am

Rabidchild wrote: ↑
March 25th, 2024, 6:20 pm
Simon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.

My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.
My take on the transfer portal with the Aggies is that we get what the coach has in connections not so much NIL deals. Sprinkle and Hill brought in Brown, Osobor, Burris, Martinez, Uduje, and Jackson Grant due to prior connections. Odom brought in RJ Eytle-Rock, Akin, Funk, and Horvath due to prior connections. There are players that come here out of love of the Aggies in Jones and Johnson.
Simon did pretty well with the portal/JC when considering the limited resources at SUU and Bowling Green, but the transfer portal is getting overplayed at this point. It is better to go against the all-in transfer portal approach and get high-end HS players that are getting overlooked. This is why I lean to Todd Simon with the hope of having Dave Rice as an assistant coach.

Once again, Dave Rice/Todd Simon managed to bring NBA players to UNLV because Todd Simon started his career at Findlay Prep, which was just down the road from UNLV's campus. Findlay Prep closed a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently shut off now. Even if it were open, it is unclear how easy it would be to convince Findlay's players to come to Logan rather than down the street to UNLV.

But you can scratch those recruiting ties off the list of reasons to hire Simon. I was stoked when I saw that Simon used to be an assistant at Findlay. But then I googled and realized that Findlay Prep no longer exists.

cval · Post by **cval** » March 29th, 2024, 12:41 pm

I doubt the contacts with AAU and HS Coaches that he developed disappeared when the school closed. The experience and connections are what people are looking at, not just the single pipeline.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » March 29th, 2024, 12:48 pm

cval wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 12:41 pm
I doubt the contacts with AAU and HS Coaches that he developed disappeared when the school closed. The experience and connections are what people are looking at, not just the single pipeline.

This is a fact.

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 1:45 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 12:48 pm

cval wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 12:41 pm
I doubt the contacts with AAU and HS Coaches that he developed disappeared when the school closed. The experience and connections are what people are looking at, not just the single pipeline.
This is a fact.

As near as I can tell, every single blue chipper/future NBA player that Rice/Simon signed at UNLV came out of Findlay. If he has connections with other AAU/HS school coaches that would give him an edge in recruiting, I haven't seen any evidence of that.

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