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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Simon has MWC coaching experience.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:03 pmI don't think it will be Simon. I think we're getting the alphabet soup guy from Toledo based on the early buzz. We're the only ones even talking about Simon as an option.
And unless Andy Hill can keep everyone on the roster, I don't want him either.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
If it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Simon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Four straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Not to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
ADs are constantly trying to make the next big splash with their hires. They almost never chose the common sense guy because that’s boring. They need somebody that will be so good that even they get noticed. That way they don’t ever have to move their family to Cache Valley.FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:16 pmIf it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
We all know that she is seeing you too and as long as you, AFIH, and your mom are happy then NOBODY CARES! Well, maybe @FloridaAggie13 cares.
BTW, tell your mom I said Hi and I'll be over the next time I need to take a .
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Fair point, but I don't view the Toledo coach as a splashy hire. If the choices are Toledo coach or Simon, I say Simon. If there's a splashy hire that trumps them, so be it. But of the two I want Simon.EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:39 pmADs are constantly trying to make the next big splash with their hires. They almost never chose the common sense guy because that’s boring. They need somebody that will be so good that even they get noticed. That way they don’t ever have to move their family to Cache Valley.FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:16 pmIf it makes too much sense, unfortunately it probably means it won't be him.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
I am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Simon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.
My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.
My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.
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I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pmI am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.
Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?
Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
I know he’s coming off a down year, but I really wanted Joe Pasternack the last 2 cycles. Has won nearly 70% of his games and 4 Big West championships in the last 4 years (regular season and tournament champs in both ‘21 and ‘23). And he could also bring along Ajay Mitchell (20 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg) and Yohan Traore (14 ppg and 5 rpg). He interviewed for it last year. I’d rather hire someone who has at least been to an NCAA tournament before personallyRoy McAvoy wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:22 pmI mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pmI am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.
Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?
Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
If only we had an example of a successful coach at Colorado State leaving the program to come take over at Utah State!!!Roy McAvoy wrote:I mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pmI am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.
Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?
Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Not sure his family would like the move from Santa Barbara to Logan.Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:52 pmI know he’s coming off a down year, but I really wanted Joe Pasternack the last 2 cycles. Has won nearly 70% of his games and 4 Big West championships in the last 4 years (regular season and tournament champs in both ‘21 and ‘23). And he could also bring along Ajay Mitchell (20 ppg 4 rpg 4 apg) and Yohan Traore (14 ppg and 5 rpg). He interviewed for it last year. I’d rather hire someone who has at least been to an NCAA tournament before personallyRoy McAvoy wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:22 pmI mean like who? Like I want to hear an actual tangible realistic example of who people think?Aggiesbleedblue wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:11 pmI am fairly certain that we will have far more impressive candidates interested than two “meh” coaches from the MAC after the season we just had.
I’ve seen Niko medved’s name tossed around. That’s a complete joke. There’s no way.
Bryce drew? You want him to take a pay cut over a million dollars to come to usu?
Other coaches names have been thrown out that have been hired by p5 type schools already too.
But love his comment about greener pastures. Maybe that’s coach speak
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Simon over the last 4 seasons W-L record is 85-41 (overall win percentage of 67.5)FootballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:31 pmFour straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???
Has not had a losing recording since the 2017-2018 season.
In his last season at SUU, he faced Sprinkle.
Check how close this game was
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401489096
That Montana State team had Osobor, Brown, and Battle
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
It seems to be a no brainer. Hopefully it will be Todd.SLB wrote: ↑March 26th, 2024, 1:24 amSimon over the last 4 seasons W-L record is 85-41 (overall win percentage of 67.5)FootballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:31 pmFour straight 20 win seasons is not great after inheriting 20 loss teams ???
Has not had a losing recording since the 2017-2018 season.
In his last season at SUU, he faced Sprinkle.
Check how close this game was
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401489096
That Montana State team had Osobor, Brown, and Battle
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Have you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pmNot to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
And a senior heavy roster.Attorney General wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pmHave you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pmNot to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pmAnd a senior heavy roster.Attorney General wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pmHave you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pmNot to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
plus JC players like Marcus Hill
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
My take on the transfer portal with the Aggies is that we get what the coach has in connections not so much NIL deals. Sprinkle and Hill brought in Brown, Osobor, Burris, Martinez, Uduje, and Jackson Grant due to prior connections. Odom brought in RJ Eytle-Rock, Akin, Funk, and Horvath due to prior connections. There are players that come here out of love of the Aggies in Jones and Johnson.Rabidchild wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:20 pmSimon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.
My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.
Simon did pretty well with the portal/JC when considering the limited resources at SUU and Bowling Green, but the transfer portal is getting overplayed at this point. It is better to go against the all-in transfer portal approach and get high-end HS players that are getting overlooked. This is why I lean to Todd Simon with the hope of having Dave Rice as an assistant coach.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Again, stare at the non-conference schedule and consider the weakness of the MAC overall this season. Not a typical year in which a 20-win season is celebrated.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 5:34 amBowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pmAnd a senior heavy roster.Attorney General wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pmHave you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pmNot to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
plus JC players like Marcus Hill
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Nm.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 5:34 amBowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:51 pmAnd a senior heavy roster.Attorney General wrote: ↑March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pmHave you looked at BGSU’s non-conference schedule. Not a stellar 20-win season with a weak non-conference and unusually down MAC conference this year.BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:33 pmNot to mention turning one of the single worst teams in the nation into a 20 win team in one season…SLB wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 5:30 pmSimon was competing with Sprinkle in the Big Sky.
SUU's last 2 seasons in the Big Sky
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 21/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... 22/group/5
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
plus JC players like Marcus Hill
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
This meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 7:40 amMan, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Exactly the cupboard was bare at bowling green when he arrived so he had to bring in a lot of trasnfers. All things considered it was a solid job by Simon in his first year at BG.BigBlueDart wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 8:24 amThis meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 7:40 amMan, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Thanks. I'm a little slow sometimes. You're right I misread it.BigBlueDart wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 8:24 amThis meaning the transfers from that tweet? That isn't who is leaving now, that's who Simon brought in last year.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 7:40 amMan, if Todd Simon hasn’t told his team he is leaving or this isn’t just because they think their coach is gone, it’s a red flag to me with him.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 5:34 am
Bowling Green had only 2 returning players that played, so Simon had to do a Sprinkle type of rebuild with less resources. Bowling Green winning 20 games is impressive. Bowling Green beat Toledo in the late part of the season.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ling-green
plus JC players like Marcus Hill
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
The idea of landing Marcus Hill is very very appealing to the case of Todd Simon
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
He's available:BasketballAgg wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 9:49 amThe idea of landing Marcus Hill is very very appealing to the case of Todd Simon
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
Once again, Dave Rice/Todd Simon managed to bring NBA players to UNLV because Todd Simon started his career at Findlay Prep, which was just down the road from UNLV's campus. Findlay Prep closed a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently shut off now. Even if it were open, it is unclear how easy it would be to convince Findlay's players to come to Logan rather than down the street to UNLV.SLB wrote: ↑March 29th, 2024, 6:43 amMy take on the transfer portal with the Aggies is that we get what the coach has in connections not so much NIL deals. Sprinkle and Hill brought in Brown, Osobor, Burris, Martinez, Uduje, and Jackson Grant due to prior connections. Odom brought in RJ Eytle-Rock, Akin, Funk, and Horvath due to prior connections. There are players that come here out of love of the Aggies in Jones and Johnson.Rabidchild wrote: ↑March 25th, 2024, 6:20 pmSimon would be an excellent hire. Findlay Prep is one of the top basketball prep schools in the country, and I imagine from his many years there and at UNLV he must have a very strong network of connections that will come in helpful in recruiting.
My only concern with him is that he'd be another guy who will become a hot commodity for other openings if he has the kind of success we would want him to have here. But maybe we just have to accept that and continue to find the Smith - Odom - Sprinkle - Simon type hires who can sustain our high standards of winning, and use the buyout money to continue to improve our program for the long term. I mean, it seems likely he would leave for the UNLV job if it ever came available and they tried to poach him, let along higher profile jobs in power conferences. But we need guys who can find transfer players in the portal and build teams like Sprinkle did. It's not going to get any easier for us to attract and keep high level players in this modern age of free transfers and NIL money.
Simon did pretty well with the portal/JC when considering the limited resources at SUU and Bowling Green, but the transfer portal is getting overplayed at this point. It is better to go against the all-in transfer portal approach and get high-end HS players that are getting overlooked. This is why I lean to Todd Simon with the hope of having Dave Rice as an assistant coach.
But you can scratch those recruiting ties off the list of reasons to hire Simon. I was stoked when I saw that Simon used to be an assistant at Findlay. But then I googled and realized that Findlay Prep no longer exists.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
I doubt the contacts with AAU and HS Coaches that he developed disappeared when the school closed. The experience and connections are what people are looking at, not just the single pipeline.
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Re: Todd Simon - Bowling Green
As near as I can tell, every single blue chipper/future NBA player that Rice/Simon signed at UNLV came out of Findlay. If he has connections with other AAU/HS school coaches that would give him an edge in recruiting, I haven't seen any evidence of that.