Tod Kowalczyk - Announcement on Tuesday

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » March 28th, 2024, 7:47 pm

I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!

trevordude · Post by **trevordude** » March 28th, 2024, 7:47 pm

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Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-baske ... 2024-03-28

Sub 200 in most defensive categories for several years

QuackAttackAggie · Post by **QuackAttackAggie** » March 28th, 2024, 7:48 pm

Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??

They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » March 28th, 2024, 7:52 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑
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Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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No thanks!

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 28th, 2024, 7:57 pm

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Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
Id go to sports-reference.com. you are definitely entitled to want whoever as coach, but keep in mind Larry, stew and Craig had a combined 1 NCAA tournament appearance and 3 nit appearances and most people felt they were pretty good coaches at USU.

Thanks, they were also up and comers and much younger than TK. Also, much different landscape today than back then. Also, their teams absolutely played D at a high level.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » March 28th, 2024, 8:05 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!

So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?

BasketballAgg · Post by **BasketballAgg** » March 28th, 2024, 8:07 pm

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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?

Creighton did lose to Colorado State and UNLV…

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » March 28th, 2024, 8:09 pm

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Javan Simmons 6’7 redshirt freshman

12 ppg 5 rpg 1.5 apg

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C20hivCp ... Q2NWhqYw==

Dante Maddox 6’2 Junior (Already in Portal)

15.6 ppg 4.3 rpg 2.8 apg

The most attractive players on who played under TK last year.

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There's more than that. I haven't watched them play, but look at their stats and roster.
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/7/30/ ... 50622.aspx
https://utrockets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster

bpd · Post by **bpd** » March 28th, 2024, 8:11 pm

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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
Creighton did lose to Colorado State and UNLV…

And they beat UConn and are a 3 seed.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » March 28th, 2024, 8:12 pm

bpd wrote: ↑
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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:47 pm
I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?

The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » March 28th, 2024, 8:13 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:48 pm

Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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We need to wait and see who he retains as assistants. Even with that kind of defense, he still won 27 games last year. Even in the MAC, that's not easy to do. You don't win as many games as he has won without knowing how to coach and recruit. I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming of everybody's Sprinkle God, but it looks like to me that he can coach and win. And that's what we need. If he brings in a couple of his players, especially if Mason doesn't stay and we lose a recruit or two, we're going to need them.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » March 28th, 2024, 8:14 pm

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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.

This isn't Odom we're hiring.

cval · Post by **cval** » March 28th, 2024, 8:15 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.

It’s really hard to play that style really well. I sincerely doubt that TK would be able to have us playing that style at that level.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 28th, 2024, 8:22 pm

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Tod is the same age as Tim Miles. Everyone was pining for Tim.

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Who the hell was pining for the 10th place coach in the MW other than Gus?
Wait….for real? Are we all going to pretend like people here weren’t wanting to hire Tim Miles??

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I saw those threads. They prefer someone who finished 10th to a coach who won his conference

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Lol Johnny couldn't do it, maybe you can. Please tell me who besides Gus has pushed for miles?
I had Twitter discussions with people on it.

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The claim was posters here. Your story is changing. You claimed you saw them all.

Post them. You can publicly shame them here.

Miles wouldn’t be my first or second choice but I’m sure we could do worse.

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Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » March 28th, 2024, 8:29 pm

bpd wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 8:05 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:47 pm
I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?

I havent watched either team this year. Do they play pussy ball like Odom's teams? If so, no. I watched Odom's team play last night. No defense. No boxing out. No physical play. No intensity. No fun.

Post by **GeoAg** » March 28th, 2024, 8:32 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:48 pm

Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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Don't like those D numbers a bit. Is that adjusted for pace?

Where do Todd Simon's team show up?

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 28th, 2024, 8:34 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:41 pm
Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??

The defensive efficiency numbers on kenpom.com would be a good place to start. I took a quick glance at it, and definitely is true that Kowalczyk's teams consistently had better offensive numbers than defensive numbers. (The defensive efficiency numbers tended to range between mediocre and bad.) Again, though, if you look at Simon's numbers at SUU, they were just as bad if not worse.

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 28th, 2024, 8:35 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
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QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑
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Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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Don't like those D numbers a bit. Is that adjusted for pace?

Where do Todd Simon's team show up?

The efficiency numbers are adjusted for pace. Some of Kowalczyk's defenses were better than that, but his defensive numbers were consistently much worse than his offensive numbers. The same was true for Simon, though.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » March 28th, 2024, 8:47 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
I havent watched either team this year. Do they play pussy ball like Odom's teams? If so, no. I watched Odom's team play last night. No defense. No boxing out. No physical play. No intensity. No fun.

USU last year under Odom finished the year at 70th for defense. With Sprinkle this year USU was 82 in defense according to kenpom. Odoms team last year was damn good just as Sprinkles team was very good this year as well.

brian5562 · Post by **brian5562** » March 28th, 2024, 8:57 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
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I havent watched either team this year. Do they play pussy ball like Odom's teams? If so, no. I watched Odom's team play last night. No defense. No boxing out. No physical play. No intensity. No fun.
Gotta love the behind the keyboard tough guy. Odom and his “pussy” style has as many tournament wins as Mr tough as naills Stew.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » March 28th, 2024, 9:02 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.

Apparently you don’t watch basketball.

Bullnamed_gus · Post by **Bullnamed_gus** » March 28th, 2024, 9:05 pm

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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.
Apparently you don’t watch basketball.

They are very similar play styles,. The Big East schools just have bigger and better athletes.

Which is where we need to focus in recruiting. Big Physical Athletes that can play defense, shoot and pass.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » March 28th, 2024, 9:10 pm

It's really hard to get 2 way players in lower levels. If you have to pick one, you go with offense and scheme defense.

Bullnamed_gus · Post by **Bullnamed_gus** » March 28th, 2024, 9:11 pm

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It's really hard to get 2 way players in lower levels. If you have to pick one, you go with offense and scheme defense.

Our team had two way guys, they just weren’t consistent shooters. Which I think we can find.

We just need to find the best balance.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » March 28th, 2024, 9:12 pm

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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.
Apparently you don’t watch basketball.

Lol okay. I mean I guess if you squint and stretch things far enough, you can make a comparison to Creighton's style. Marquette runs extremely efficient, methodical offense with uber aggressive defense. Bodies on the floor at all times. I don't recall ever seeing that with an Odom-coached team.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » March 28th, 2024, 9:13 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 9:11 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑
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It's really hard to get 2 way players in lower levels. If you have to pick one, you go with offense and scheme defense.
Our team had two way guys, they just weren’t consistent shooters. Which I think we can find.

We just need to find the best balance.

We can...BG, SUU, and Toledo it's harder.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » March 28th, 2024, 9:24 pm

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Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑
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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.
Apparently you don’t watch basketball.
Lol okay. I mean I guess if you squint and stretch things far enough, you can make a comparison to Creighton's style. Marquette runs extremely efficient, methodical offense with uber aggressive defense. Bodies on the floor at all times. I don't recall ever seeing that with an Odom-coached team.

This is a first. Marquette and their offense described as methodical. They are 9th in tempo in the country. They push the ball up the floor, look for layups and 3s. If that doesn’t work they go to pick and roll.

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » March 28th, 2024, 9:25 pm

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Well, today was fun. Same time, same place tomorrow?

Tarvish Felton it is.
Um....Scotty....aren't you one that sent one of the tweets too?

Exactly. Scotty must have gotten a beat down.

cval · Post by **cval** » March 28th, 2024, 9:28 pm

So lots of guys were posting and citing each other as their source…

Great example of groupthink.

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » March 28th, 2024, 9:28 pm

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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
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I havent watched either team this year. Do they play pussy ball like Odom's teams? If so, no. I watched Odom's team play last night. No defense. No boxing out. No physical play. No intensity. No fun.
Gotta love the behind the keyboard tough guy. Odom and his “pussy” style has as many tournament wins as Mr tough as naills Stew.
Good points.

I'm happy to step away from behind the keyboard and have this converation in person. LOL. Akin was fun to watch last year and Bean the years prior. I liked watching the Wesley, Jardine, Wilkinson, Bean, Butterfield, McEwen, Falslev, Templin, Brown, Martinez, Worster, Merrill, Uduje, etc. type players. I like the inside/outside play. I get tired of watching teams continually jack up 3s and not play D.

IMO The MWC was much more exciting to watch this year than in previous years with the exception of the NV team with the Martin Twins and Caroline and when we beat SDSU in the MWC Tourney. I think last year the MWC had one of it's weaker years.

WannabeAgAlum · Post by **WannabeAgAlum** » March 28th, 2024, 9:33 pm

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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.
Apparently you don’t watch basketball.
Lol okay. I mean I guess if you squint and stretch things far enough, you can make a comparison to Creighton's style. Marquette runs extremely efficient, methodical offense with uber aggressive defense. Bodies on the floor at all times. I don't recall ever seeing that with an Odom-coached team.

This is a first. Marquette and their offense described as methodical. They are 9th in tempo in the country. They push the ball up the floor, look for layups and 3s. If that doesn’t work they go to pick and roll.

Take Tom Riddle of that Marquette team and they are completely different. Tom can run it but he can be methodical too. He’s fun to watch.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » March 28th, 2024, 9:38 pm

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I'm not a fan of Odom (pussy) ball so if TK's teams play that way. No thanks!
So you don’t like the way that Creighton and Marquette play?
The way Odom's teams play is very much NOT the same way Creighton and Marquette play.
Apparently you don’t watch basketball.
Lol okay. I mean I guess if you squint and stretch things far enough, you can make a comparison to Creighton's style. Marquette runs extremely efficient, methodical offense with uber aggressive defense. Bodies on the floor at all times. I don't recall ever seeing that with an Odom-coached team.

This is a first. Marquette and their offense described as methodical. They are 9th in tempo in the country. They push the ball up the floor, look for layups and 3s. If that doesn’t work they go to pick and roll.
Take Tom Riddle of that Marquette team and they are completely different. Tom can run it but he can be methodical too. He’s fun to watch.

I suppose "intentional" is probably a better verb than "methodical" in this case. I've just never seen an Odom team play with close to the level of both intensity and IQ as Marquette plays. It's incredible to me how much that team can move the ball and keep constant motion on offense while very rarely turning it over.

AggieFBObsession · Post by **AggieFBObsession** » March 28th, 2024, 9:51 pm

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Well, today was fun. Same time, same place tomorrow?

Tarvish Felton it is.
Um....Scotty....aren't you one that sent one of the tweets too?
Exactly. Scotty must have gotten a beat down.

There's a certain A$$hat in our athletic department who thinks that that kind of behavior is professional...

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 28th, 2024, 9:57 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑
March 28th, 2024, 7:48 pm

Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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Yikes!! Why would we even consider this guy based off of this alone. We would get absolutely destroyed in the MWC with this guy at the helm.

What about Simon?

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 28th, 2024, 10:57 pm

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Elkaggie wrote:Back to the topic. I am curious: The lack of conf tourney and NIT success is likely because his teams are really bad on Defense. Curious what his teams ranked in conference in this area. I have suspicion that they are near the bottom, which would be a HUGE red flag for me.

Anyone know how I find this data??
They were 75 in offense and 255 in defense this year in kenpom. They were 354th in fg% on defense. 359th in 2 point defense. 339 in blocks, 278 in turnovers forced and 297 in points allowed. In short, they were one of the worst defenses in the country.

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Yikes!! Why would we even consider this guy based off of this alone. We would get absolutely destroyed in the MWC with this guy at the helm.

What about Simon?

Better not look at Simon's numbers at SUU then, because they weren't any better. My response would be: 1) Their offensive numbers were much better. 2) Yes, if you put a MAC team with MAC-level players in this year's MWC, they probably wouldn't do well. I like to believe both coaches' numbers would improve when they have MWC-level players on their roster. I haven't looked it up, but my guess is that advanced metrics didn't think highly of Sprinkle's Montana State teams or Odom's UMBC teams, because they were in lower-tier conferences and had lower-tier players.

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