GeoAg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:39 pm

I am seriously wondering about our AD. There is zero excitement factor with this hire. He was honestly the least qualified of any of those being considered. I would have taken Andy Hill over this. Un real.

This is just not true. He was the most qualified. He has the highest level of sustained success of any of the main candidates.

How successful would we have thought Stew was with 0 NCAA appearances?

FootballAgg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:37 pm

FeartheFro wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:35 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

We don't know if she whiffed yet.

How does one whiff before entering the batters box?


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Fan support.

I’ve never seen the board or the general fan base this split on a coaching hire since Duryea

The fans want a winner. As long as Tod wins the fan support will be there.

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:39 pm

I am seriously wondering about our AD. There is zero excitement factor with this hire. He was honestly the least qualified of any of those being considered. I would have taken Andy Hill over this. Un real.

Honest question, what are his lack of qualifications?

What would make Todd more qualified than Tod? Genuinely curious.


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FootballAgg wrote:

FeartheFro wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:35 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

We don't know if she whiffed yet.

How does one whiff before entering the batters box?


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Fan support.

I’ve never seen the board or the general fan base this split on a coaching hire since Duryea

Fans are idiots.


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StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:31 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:15 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:08 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:40 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Donman wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:27 pm

Aggie fans are bipolar. Either we are down in the dumps or we think we Coach K (from Duke) would come out of retirement to coach us.

Man has a great track record. Maybe better than any of the last 3 coaches who came here. Let's see how he does.

Not Coach K, but someone better than this Toledo coach.

Aggie fans are a weird bunch. There is a segment of you guys who will cheer on whatever Utah State does. They can do no wrong. Every decision is perfect. You probably said the same think when Duryea was hired.

Let's wait and see but not the most exciting one on the market. I do like that we have a head coach with a history of winning games, but the home run potential was Simon or the South Dakota State coach.

What makes you think that Simon and Henderson have more upside than Kowaczyk?

Henderson was the NCAA tournament regular with South Dakota State with countless wins and finding great players.
Simon has taken two bad basketball schools and turn them into 20-win program (Simon has now 4 20-win seasons in a row) while he was there. Simon has been coaching at UNLV, SUU, and Bowling Green, and Simon knows a lot of our players while having the Utahn recruiting going strong. Simon could hire Dave Rice as assistant coach which would be a game changer.

Well, it's worth pointing out that Kowalczyk has also taken over two horrible programs and turned them into consistent winners. And he has won 20 games four years in a row (and six out of the last seven).

As for Simon's recruiting, I hadn't realized that Findlay Prep closed down a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently closed. That made me significantly less excited about Simon's potential as a recruiter. Simon and Rice signed a high percentage of their blue chip players at UNLV out of Findlay. I'm not as excited about Simon (nor Rice) as a recruiter if they can't pull players from Findlay. And as I noted in the other thread, the only one of our previous coaches who had any real recruiting connections in Utah was Duryea, so I think Utah recruiting ties are overrated.

To be clear, I would have been quite happy with Simon or Henderson as well. But Kowalczyk has sustained his success over a much longer period of time. So I am quite happy with this hire.

Kowalczyk has coached for over 20 years, and he has yet to get into the NCAA tournament.
Simon built SUU into that 20-win every season in less time, and Simon made Bowling Green a 20-win team in year one. Before Simon, SUU was last place team in D1 basketball in Kenpom rankings.

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:45 pm

What would make Todd more qualified than Tod? Genuinely curious.


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DD's

GeoAg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:39 pm

I am seriously wondering about our AD. There is zero excitement factor with this hire. He was honestly the least qualified of any of those being considered. I would have taken Andy Hill over this. Un real.

This is just not true. He was the most qualified. He has the highest level of sustained success of any of the main candidates.

Depends what your criteria of qualified. He’s over the hill, has zero connection to the region or even the west coast, has never won a conference tournament or been to the NCAA tourney in 22 years. Has probably never even been to Logan, and knows nothing of our tradition or community. Basically, our AD hired her friend from Ohio. They must go way back. Unreal… I can’t even believe it.

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:45 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:31 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:15 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:08 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:40 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Donman wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:27 pm

Aggie fans are bipolar. Either we are down in the dumps or we think we Coach K (from Duke) would come out of retirement to coach us.

Man has a great track record. Maybe better than any of the last 3 coaches who came here. Let's see how he does.

Not Coach K, but someone better than this Toledo coach.

Aggie fans are a weird bunch. There is a segment of you guys who will cheer on whatever Utah State does. They can do no wrong. Every decision is perfect. You probably said the same think when Duryea was hired.

Let's wait and see but not the most exciting one on the market. I do like that we have a head coach with a history of winning games, but the home run potential was Simon or the South Dakota State coach.

What makes you think that Simon and Henderson have more upside than Kowaczyk?

Henderson was the NCAA tournament regular with South Dakota State with countless wins and finding great players.
Simon has taken two bad basketball schools and turn them into 20-win program (Simon has now 4 20-win seasons in a row) while he was there. Simon has been coaching at UNLV, SUU, and Bowling Green, and Simon knows a lot of our players while having the Utahn recruiting going strong. Simon could hire Dave Rice as assistant coach which would be a game changer.

Well, it's worth pointing out that Kowalczyk has also taken over two horrible programs and turned them into consistent winners. And he has won 20 games four years in a row (and six out of the last seven).

As for Simon's recruiting, I hadn't realized that Findlay Prep closed down a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently closed. That made me significantly less excited about Simon's potential as a recruiter. Simon and Rice signed a high percentage of their blue chip players at UNLV out of Findlay. I'm not as excited about Simon (nor Rice) as a recruiter if they can't pull players from Findlay. And as I noted in the other thread, the only one of our previous coaches who had any real recruiting connections in Utah was Duryea, so I think Utah recruiting ties are overrated.

To be clear, I would have been quite happy with Simon or Henderson as well. But Kowalczyk has sustained his success over a much longer period of time. So I am quite happy with this hire.

Kowalczyk has coached for over 20 years, and he has yet to get into the NCAA tournament.
Simon built SUU into that 20-win every season in less time, and Simon made Bowling Green a 20-win team in year one. Before Simon, SUU was last place team in D1 basketball in Kenpom rankings.

The bolded statement is objectively wrong. Simon took SUU to 20 wins in year 5. Kowalczyk took Toledo to 27 wins in year four. And it's even more impression than it looks, because Kowalczyk inherited NCAA sanctions, so he didn't even have a full set of scholarships to hand out for his first few seasons. And Simon has zero postseason appearances in nine seasons of coach. He was on Dave Rice's staff at UNLV that managed to miss the tournament despite multiple NBA players on their roster. And he was responsible for an extreme March choke job at SUU.

Don't get me wrong. I like Simon, and I would have been happy with him as USU's coach. But I find it very weird that the board was so excited about Simon but so many people are outraged about Kowalczyk given that Kowalczyk has been more successful for a much longer period of time by any reasonable metric.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:45 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:31 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:15 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:08 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:40 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Donman wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:27 pm

Aggie fans are bipolar. Either we are down in the dumps or we think we Coach K (from Duke) would come out of retirement to coach us.

Man has a great track record. Maybe better than any of the last 3 coaches who came here. Let's see how he does.

Not Coach K, but someone better than this Toledo coach.

Aggie fans are a weird bunch. There is a segment of you guys who will cheer on whatever Utah State does. They can do no wrong. Every decision is perfect. You probably said the same think when Duryea was hired.

Let's wait and see but not the most exciting one on the market. I do like that we have a head coach with a history of winning games, but the home run potential was Simon or the South Dakota State coach.

What makes you think that Simon and Henderson have more upside than Kowaczyk?

Henderson was the NCAA tournament regular with South Dakota State with countless wins and finding great players.
Simon has taken two bad basketball schools and turn them into 20-win program (Simon has now 4 20-win seasons in a row) while he was there. Simon has been coaching at UNLV, SUU, and Bowling Green, and Simon knows a lot of our players while having the Utahn recruiting going strong. Simon could hire Dave Rice as assistant coach which would be a game changer.

Well, it's worth pointing out that Kowalczyk has also taken over two horrible programs and turned them into consistent winners. And he has won 20 games four years in a row (and six out of the last seven).

As for Simon's recruiting, I hadn't realized that Findlay Prep closed down a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently closed. That made me significantly less excited about Simon's potential as a recruiter. Simon and Rice signed a high percentage of their blue chip players at UNLV out of Findlay. I'm not as excited about Simon (nor Rice) as a recruiter if they can't pull players from Findlay. And as I noted in the other thread, the only one of our previous coaches who had any real recruiting connections in Utah was Duryea, so I think Utah recruiting ties are overrated.

To be clear, I would have been quite happy with Simon or Henderson as well. But Kowalczyk has sustained his success over a much longer period of time. So I am quite happy with this hire.

Kowalczyk has coached for over 20 years, and he has yet to get into the NCAA tournament.
Simon built SUU into that 20-win every season in less time, and Simon made Bowling Green a 20-win team in year one. Before Simon, SUU was last place team in D1 basketball in Kenpom rankings.

The bolded statement is objectively wrong. Simon took SUU to 20 wins in year 5. Kowalczyk took Toledo to 27 wins in year four. And it's even more impression than it looks, because Kowalczyk inherited NCAA sanctions, so he didn't even have a full set of scholarships to hand out for his first few seasons. And Simon has zero postseason appearances in nine seasons of coach. He was on Dave Rice's staff at UNLV that managed to miss the tournament despite multiple NBA players on their roster. And he was responsible for an extreme March choke job at SUU.

Don't get me wrong. I like Simon, and I would have been happy with him as USU's coach. But I find it very weird that the board was so excited about Simon but so many people are outraged about Kowalczyk given that Kowalczyk has been more successful for a much longer period of time by any reasonable metric.

I think the general consensus on Simon is that he would be more likely to stay with success and is younger than Kowalczyk. The HR professional in me cringes at every ageist comment about Kowalczyk LOL. Their track records are fairly similar with the difference being Kowalczyk has won for longer than Simon.

Also having no ties to the west is concerning only because Ryan Odom went so horribly wrong for this reason.

Everything is about timing. There wasn't a no brainer out there. Most of the candidates had pretty similar resumes. If the AD thinks this is the best choice, we will see. Kowalczyk does seem to have the most available impact guys to bring with him.

For those upset about a non-sexy vanilla hire I’ll say this — I’m ready for some stability to come to this program as we are now on our fourth coach since Smith left four years ago. The coaches at SDS, CSU, BSU and Nevada are decidedly not sexy either.

GeoAg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:42 pm

FootballAgg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:37 pm

FeartheFro wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:35 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

We don't know if she whiffed yet.

How does one whiff before entering the batters box?


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Fan support.

I’ve never seen the board or the general fan base this split on a coaching hire since Duryea

I hope our AD never makes a hire based on fan support on this board.

It would have benefitted Barnes listening to the fans when he hired Duryea. Sometimes AD's get it wrong and sometimes fans get it right.

Time will tell who is right on Toledo Tod.

I think that is fair. We should all see what kind of team Tod puts together. We should also watch some games being coached before getting too excited or too upset. Both have their plusses and minuses.

Why not Brian Wardle instead? He followed Kowalczyk at Green Bay and took them to an even higher peak. Then he moved to Bradley and has won 20+ games in 5 of 7 years in a significantly better conference (MVC) than the MAC.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:45 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:31 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:15 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:08 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:40 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Donman wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:27 pm

Aggie fans are bipolar. Either we are down in the dumps or we think we Coach K (from Duke) would come out of retirement to coach us.

Man has a great track record. Maybe better than any of the last 3 coaches who came here. Let's see how he does.

Not Coach K, but someone better than this Toledo coach.

Aggie fans are a weird bunch. There is a segment of you guys who will cheer on whatever Utah State does. They can do no wrong. Every decision is perfect. You probably said the same think when Duryea was hired.

Let's wait and see but not the most exciting one on the market. I do like that we have a head coach with a history of winning games, but the home run potential was Simon or the South Dakota State coach.

What makes you think that Simon and Henderson have more upside than Kowaczyk?

Henderson was the NCAA tournament regular with South Dakota State with countless wins and finding great players.
Simon has taken two bad basketball schools and turn them into 20-win program (Simon has now 4 20-win seasons in a row) while he was there. Simon has been coaching at UNLV, SUU, and Bowling Green, and Simon knows a lot of our players while having the Utahn recruiting going strong. Simon could hire Dave Rice as assistant coach which would be a game changer.

Well, it's worth pointing out that Kowalczyk has also taken over two horrible programs and turned them into consistent winners. And he has won 20 games four years in a row (and six out of the last seven).

As for Simon's recruiting, I hadn't realized that Findlay Prep closed down a few years ago, so that pipeline is permanently closed. That made me significantly less excited about Simon's potential as a recruiter. Simon and Rice signed a high percentage of their blue chip players at UNLV out of Findlay. I'm not as excited about Simon (nor Rice) as a recruiter if they can't pull players from Findlay. And as I noted in the other thread, the only one of our previous coaches who had any real recruiting connections in Utah was Duryea, so I think Utah recruiting ties are overrated.

To be clear, I would have been quite happy with Simon or Henderson as well. But Kowalczyk has sustained his success over a much longer period of time. So I am quite happy with this hire.

Kowalczyk has coached for over 20 years, and he has yet to get into the NCAA tournament.
Simon built SUU into that 20-win every season in less time, and Simon made Bowling Green a 20-win team in year one. Before Simon, SUU was last place team in D1 basketball in Kenpom rankings.

The bolded statement is objectively wrong. Simon took SUU to 20 wins in year 5. Kowalczyk took Toledo to 27 wins in year four. And it's even more impression than it looks, because Kowalczyk inherited NCAA sanctions, so he didn't even have a full set of scholarships to hand out for his first few seasons. And Simon has zero postseason appearances in nine seasons of coach. He was on Dave Rice's staff at UNLV that managed to miss the tournament despite multiple NBA players on their roster. And he was responsible for an extreme March choke job at SUU.

Don't get me wrong. I like Simon, and I would have been happy with him as USU's coach. But I find it very weird that the board was so excited about Simon but so many people are outraged about Kowalczyk given that Kowalczyk has been more successful for a much longer period of time by any reasonable metric.

Reread the statements instead jumping into attacks those who disagree with the move on paper.
Simon has been a head coach for 3 different schools for the last 8.5 seasons, and Simon has only 2 losing seasons (the first two seasons with SUU). The point about the 20-win thing was about being the consistent 20 or more wins which is what sets Simon apart in that he has been done for the last 4 seasons with 2 different schools. Bowling Green was closer at making the NCAA tournament than Toledo in this last season.
Dave Rice always gets those blue-chip players (look at Washington and their NBA players and top 40 recruits during the time of Dave Rice being there), and Dave Rice was in the NCAA tournament (2x) in the 2 seasons before Simon joining UNLV.

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:42 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:39 pm

I am seriously wondering about our AD. There is zero excitement factor with this hire. He was honestly the least qualified of any of those being considered. I would have taken Andy Hill over this. Un real.

This is just not true. He was the most qualified. He has the highest level of sustained success of any of the main candidates.

How successful would we have thought Stew was with 0 NCAA appearances?

Stew didn't win in the tournament for his final 14 years. The one tournament win is hardly what defines stew.

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

utaggies wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:01 pm

For those upset about a non-sexy vanilla hire I’ll say this — I’m ready for some stability to come to this program as we are now on our fourth coach since Smith left four years ago. The coaches at SDS, CSU, BSU and Nevada are decidedly not sexy either.

Unless the NCAA starts enforcing the transfer rule and regulating NILs, Utah State cannot be successful trying to find the next Stew. And you certainly are going to struggle bringing in another guy from back east with no connections out west.

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

Mason was already in the Portal, and I'm not making a decision on what Templin and Fish want.

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

Would he have stayed for Hill?

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

That seems like a very optimistic assumption that is colored by which coach you like best rather than any actual facts or evidence.

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

Again, you cannot hire a coach based on the preference of the current(ish) roster . Frank is a great guy, but I’m really glad he didn’t get the football job after Gary 2.0

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

So we have 1 rotational player in the Portal and that is the guy we should make the decisions for?

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

We know Hartwell and Bovee hit because of the results after the hire. We don’t even know who the hire is this time around so it’s pretty silly to call it a whiff.


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StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:47 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

That seems like a very optimistic assumption that is colored by which coach you like best rather than any actual facts or evidence.

Simon offered to a high % of the roster, and he faced the Big Sky players that Sprinkle brought over to Utah State.

This whole lovefest over Simon is built on a bunch of hypotheticals.

"Simon could have Dave Rice as an assistant." How likely would Rice be to work for a former assistant? Would Rice want to come back to Logan- a place he only stayed for a year? Is Simon's success truly dependent on having Rice as an assistant? (I know- he's been successful as a HC without Rice so far).

"Simon has been in UT and the west, so he has recruiting connections." Very true, but Smith and Odom hadn't really coached in the west, and they still had success. Findlay Prep closing also reduces some of the power of this argument. I'll admit that his Western connections are most likely much stronger than TK's.

"Simon is younger, so he could coach here longer." Also true that he's younger, but if he has success, he's going to milk that success to the next job and we're stuck looking for another coach. TK will probably be the same. Age shouldn't be a factor in the decision (not even factoring in the age discrimination, which could bring a lawsuit).

"Simon could keep our roster intact because he already knows the players." We have no guarantees that he would be able to keep any of the guys on the roster.

Some of you may have concrete knowledge about some of the above questions. I don't have any insider connections. I'm just a USU fan living 1,800 miles away from the Spectrum. The amount of hypotheticals that have been thrown around just don't support the argument that hiring TK is a mistake.

Listen, Simon was my top choice, but I'm happy with TK and willing to give him a chance before passing judgement. I think any of the realistic candidates that we've heard about would be good hires. I hope TK brings in Dixon to the staff to bring in the Western connections. TK's been successful everywhere but the postseason. Look at it this way- TK has never lost in the Big Dance. If he can win the MW regular season, he'll be in the NCAAT and have a chance to do what Smith, Odom, Eustachy, and even Stew post-2001 couldn't do at USU. Can he win in the NCAAT? I don't know. I don't know if Simon can either.

...And now, I'm seeing Scotty's tweet saying that the search isn't finalized. Either way, I think TK or TS would be great hires.

All the current players at the time wanted Tim Duryea…..

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:47 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

That seems like a very optimistic assumption that is colored by which coach you like best rather than any actual facts or evidence.

The players wanted Duryea back in the day too.

All the Rice talk is hilarious. The landscape has completely changed since he was an amazing recruiter and if he was still that great, where is he now? He is an assistant at Cal Baptist what a bizarre career.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:08 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:40 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Donman wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:27 pm

Aggie fans are bipolar. Either we are down in the dumps or we think we Coach K (from Duke) would come out of retirement to coach us.

Man has a great track record. Maybe better than any of the last 3 coaches who came here. Let's see how he does.

Not Coach K, but someone better than this Toledo coach.

Aggie fans are a weird bunch. There is a segment of you guys who will cheer on whatever Utah State does. They can do no wrong. Every decision is perfect. You probably said the same think when Duryea was hired.

Let's wait and see but not the most exciting one on the market. I do like that we have a head coach with a history of winning games, but the home run potential was Simon or the South Dakota State coach.

What makes you think that Simon and Henderson have more upside than Kowaczyk?

I think the perceived lack of upside is due to a combination of TK's age and not having been to the tournament before. The situation here feels akin to an NBA team drafting a 24 year old senior in the middle of the first round. A player with that profile has a good shot at being a solid role player but is unlikely to become a star. TK feels like a moderate ceiling/low floor hire. Most fans are willing to trade the potential for more upside at the expense of more downside risk. I think TK is a solid hire and will likely be successful here, but he seemingly lacks the upside of some of our previous hires. Feels like a different type of hire than we're used to.

AggiePharm wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:11 pm

Why not Brian Wardle instead? He followed Kowalczyk at Green Bay and took them to an even higher peak. Then he moved to Bradley and has won 20+ games in 5 of 7 years in a significantly better conference (MVC) than the MAC.

Wardle is a very good coach and would be a very solid candidate.

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:54 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:47 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:44 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 3:35 pm

bpd wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 2:06 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote: ↑

March 28th, 2024, 1:36 pm

I'm going to hold off judging on this occasion especially since USU hit three straight times. I didn't think the last three coaches would be as successful as they were. Craig Smith coached South Dakota and never coached an NCAA tournament game before he came here. Odom coached one which was a more memorable one, but he wasn't really getting his teams into March on a regular basis. So with that I'm just going to sit back and watch and see how this unfolds. It'd be wise if some of you did the same.

Hartwell and Bovee hit 3 straight times. Diana whiffed.

Dumb comment.

Mason isn't playing for this guy. And when he's officially somewhere else Fish and Templin will follow suit. They're choosing the guy the players did not want.

I want Mason back more than any other player but you cannot hire a coach simply because a player or players prefer it.

If we had Simon, Simon could have recruited them back since he knows many of our players.

That seems like a very optimistic assumption that is colored by which coach you like best rather than any actual facts or evidence.

Simon offered to a high % of the roster, and he faced the Big Sky players that Sprinkle brought over to Utah State.

So you think that the fact that Great Osobor may have played a game or two against Simon a few years ago would cause him to stay at USU rather than follow Sprinkle (and probably a big stack of NIL money)? That seems optimistic.