No Slam Dunk Hire

bpd · Post by **bpd** » March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am

Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » March 29th, 2024, 8:07 am

You didn’t say Andy hill

Honestly with the current crop of coaches let’s just do Andy and see what he can do

Coach Kowalczyk · Post by **Coach Kowalczyk** » March 29th, 2024, 8:07 am

bpd wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am
Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.

Thanks. I appreciate your kind words. I'm hoping our Aggie's "Defense clap clap clap" cheer can help encourage our athletes.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » March 29th, 2024, 8:07 am

I think that might be the biggest argument for taking a chance on an assistant. I’m glad I’m not the AD making this decision. Fortunately, they are interviewing and researching much more extensively than we are. I have faith they’ll make a good hire.

Aggieforlife · Post by **Aggieforlife** » March 29th, 2024, 8:09 am

Hiring a head coach is a very difficult job. Not only are you finding the right person. But you are finding the right person who is available. Sprinkles buy out would help, but USU isn’t in the position to go pay a big buy out to go get their Guy.

I don’t follow other coaching vacancies and options, who would be a “slam dunk” hire?

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:09 am

What about a guy like this?
https://godiggers.com/sports/mens-baske ... -hiatt/405

He has done amazing the last few years.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:11 am

I personally would rather have the risk of low floor for the possibility of a high ceiling, as opposed to a lower ceiling but lower floor. In other words, I'm willing to risk the possibility of .500 or below seasons for the reward of more NCAA wins, as opposed to what would be a safe bet to never be that bad for a lower probability we are that good.

We don't know how much of the kids giving effort and good schemes to win Andy Hill was responsible for, or if any assistant in his spot could have looked just as good. Ian Matinez WAS here CAUSE of Andy Hill, but we don't know how many other good players would come cause of him.

Tod K has been winning, but not at the level or at the time we would like. Todd Simon has at least won some postseason tournament games. Eric Henderson has shown the ability to reach the tournament and at least put up a somewhat respectable fight.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:22 am

I don’t know why but I like Andy Hill more than the others that have been discussed.

BasketballAgg · Post by **BasketballAgg** » March 29th, 2024, 8:23 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:22 am
I don’t know why but I like Andy Hill more than the others that have been discussed.

I’d be seriously concerned if we hired the guy that is running around Seattle with UW gear on while he’s actively in contention for our head coaching job.

SSaggie · Post by **SSaggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:38 am

Elkaggie wrote:What about a guy like this?
https://godiggers.com/sports/mens-baske ... -hiatt/405

He has done amazing the last few years.

He is a bishop and recruits quite well to Butte, gets good athletes. Kelvin Sampson got his start there too.

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AggiePT · Post by **AggiePT** » March 29th, 2024, 8:40 am

I am still holding out hope that the actual new HC has not even come to our attention yet. Hopefully a great surprise that is a slam dunk hire.

Post by **Aglicious** » March 29th, 2024, 8:49 am

For me, the closest thing there is to a slam dunk hire would be Chris Mack. I don't think we have even inquired and I think he could easily get a job at a P4 but the problem is those opportunities are all but gone at this point. He says he's looking for the right fit - how many places offer as many intangibles and history of coaching success as USU?

Outside of that, I think @bpd is right, every candidate that is left has something they haven't done well or has baggage or is unproven in some way. It will be interesting to see which side the AD leans toward - whose warts they deem the smallest.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:52 am

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:23 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:22 am
I don’t know why but I like Andy Hill more than the others that have been discussed.
I’d be seriously concerned if we hired the guy that is running around Seattle with UW gear on while he’s actively in contention for our head coaching job.

I know I’ve seen the photos. My point is I don’t love the main two candidates.

splintorb · Post by **splintorb** » March 29th, 2024, 8:53 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:52 am

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:23 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:22 am
I don’t know why but I like Andy Hill more than the others that have been discussed.
I’d be seriously concerned if we hired the guy that is running around Seattle with UW gear on while he’s actively in contention for our head coaching job.
I know I’ve seen the photos. My point is I don’t love the main two candidates.

Maybe the two candidates you have heard of aren't the two main candidates....

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 8:59 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:09 am
What about a guy like this?
https://godiggers.com/sports/mens-baske ... -hiatt/405

He has done amazing the last few years.

I'd like to see him do it at the low-major D1 level first

papaj · Post by **papaj** » March 29th, 2024, 9:00 am

Some “coach” checked into the now “old” Logan Marriott last night before I checked in. Was with a USU official and got a very nice gift bag. I don’t follow this sort of thing so have no idea who he is.

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » March 29th, 2024, 9:14 am

papaj wrote:Some “coach” checked into the now “old” Logan Marriott last night before I checked in. Was with a USU official and got a very nice gift bag. I don’t follow this sort of thing so have no idea who he is.

Could you pick him out of a line-up?
Or at least tell us if he has hair. That would eliminate about half the candidates.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » March 29th, 2024, 9:26 am

splintorb wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:53 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:52 am

BasketballAgg wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:23 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:22 am
I don’t know why but I like Andy Hill more than the others that have been discussed.
I’d be seriously concerned if we hired the guy that is running around Seattle with UW gear on while he’s actively in contention for our head coaching job.
I know I’ve seen the photos. My point is I don’t love the main two candidates.
Maybe the two candidates you have heard of aren't the two main candidates....

I hope so

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » March 29th, 2024, 9:38 am

Fact is no coach coming in is going to be sure fire home run candidate. All candidates are going to have some warts and things they are not as good at. I am confident we will get a solid coach.

TrueAggieman · Post by **TrueAggieman** » March 29th, 2024, 9:39 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:09 am
What about a guy like this?
https://godiggers.com/sports/mens-baske ... -hiatt/405

He has done amazing the last few years.

I like that type of idea. Here’s another one I would consider:

https://bearcatsports.com/sports/mens-b ... ollum/1880

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » March 29th, 2024, 9:41 am

Aggie84025 wrote:Fact is no coach coming in is going to be sure fire home run candidate. All candidates are going to have some warts and things they are not as good at. I am confident we will get a solid coach.

I heard that the Baugh Motel has exclusive rights to house any incoming potential coaching candidates.

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AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » March 29th, 2024, 9:42 am

TrueAggieman wrote:
Elkaggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:09 am
What about a guy like this?
https://godiggers.com/sports/mens-baske ... -hiatt/405

He has done amazing the last few years.
I like that type of idea. Here’s another one I would consider:

https://bearcatsports.com/sports/mens-b ... ollum/1880

McCollum got an interview with Oklahoma State I believe. If he can get consideration for a Big12 job, he’s probably worth considering.

GaryTakeTheWheel · Post by **GaryTakeTheWheel** » March 29th, 2024, 9:43 am

FeartheFro wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:41 am

Aggie84025 wrote:Fact is no coach coming in is going to be sure fire home run candidate. All candidates are going to have some warts and things they are not as good at. I am confident we will get a solid coach.
I heard that the Baugh Motel has exclusive rights to house any incoming potential coaching candidates.

The old trapper inn lose the contract?

The Old Bull · Post by **The Old Bull** » March 29th, 2024, 9:47 am

AGGIEinIOWA wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:14 am

papaj wrote:Some “coach” checked into the now “old” Logan Marriott last night before I checked in. Was with a USU official and got a very nice gift bag. I don’t follow this sort of thing so have no idea who he is.
Could you pick him out of a line-up?
Or at least tell us if he has hair. That would eliminate about half the candidates.

I can see the Marriott from my office window... Cant believe I have let everyone down... Maybe I will go home and get my binoculars and spotting scope and take a position up on the roof.

Or get me one of these and set up on the roof of the parking garage.

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » March 29th, 2024, 9:59 am

GaryTakeTheWheel wrote:
FeartheFro wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:41 am

Aggie84025 wrote:Fact is no coach coming in is going to be sure fire home run candidate. All candidates are going to have some warts and things they are not as good at. I am confident we will get a solid coach.
I heard that the Baugh Motel has exclusive rights to house any incoming potential coaching candidates.

The old trapper inn lose the contract?

Yes, their turn down service was failing miserably.

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GUS · Post by **GUS** » March 29th, 2024, 10:07 am

I said this in another thread, but have we looked at Josh Schertz at Indiana State? He’s had two good years there.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » March 29th, 2024, 10:09 am

GUS wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 10:07 am
I said this in another thread, but have we looked at Josh Schertz at Indiana State? He’s had two good years there.

I think the rumors have been that he may take the St. Louis job which pays over $2million. He would be an awesome candidate though.

Post by **AGinNEIowa** » March 29th, 2024, 10:24 am

FeartheFro wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:59 am

GaryTakeTheWheel wrote:
FeartheFro wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 9:41 am

Aggie84025 wrote:Fact is no coach coming in is going to be sure fire home run candidate. All candidates are going to have some warts and things they are not as good at. I am confident we will get a solid coach.
I heard that the Baugh Motel has exclusive rights to house any incoming potential coaching candidates.

The old trapper inn lose the contract?
Yes, their turn down service was failing miserably.

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so they fail to leave the sheet untucked?

AggiePharm · Post by **AggiePharm** » March 29th, 2024, 10:49 am

Mat Langel would absolutely be a slam dunk hire in my opinion. Maybe he's just holding out for the perfect opportunity because his name hasn't really popped up in the big-name program searches this cycle. But he's been extremely successful at Colgate (minus an NCAA win, but as a 14-15 seed that's a tall ask) and we'd be doubling his salary.

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 11:03 am

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 8:11 am
I personally would rather have the risk of low floor for the possibility of a high ceiling, as opposed to a lower ceiling but lower floor. In other words, I'm willing to risk the possibility of .500 or below seasons for the reward of more NCAA wins, as opposed to what would be a safe bet to never be that bad for a lower probability we are that good.

We don't know how much of the kids giving effort and good schemes to win Andy Hill was responsible for, or if any assistant in his spot could have looked just as good. Ian Matinez WAS here CAUSE of Andy Hill, but we don't know how many other good players would come cause of him.

Tod K has been winning, but not at the level or at the time we would like. Todd Simon has at least won some postseason tournament games. Eric Henderson has shown the ability to reach the tournament and at least put up a somewhat respectable fight.

Wut? No he hasn't, unless you count conference tournament games or CIT games. To be clear, I don't care, and I think he would be a great coach. But I find it maddening how many of our fans think that the first 30 games of every season don't matter if a coach has a bad game in his final game of the season.

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 11:11 am

bpd wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am
Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.

How on earth was Sprinkle a "home run hire" compared to any of our current candidates? Because he had two good seasons, one of which he didn't even win the regular season title in the Big Sky? And how much of that success was due to Darius Brown? If I were UW, I would be very concerned that Sprinkle is going to be a .500 coach once he no longer has Brown on his roster. Both the Tod(d)'s and Jerrod Calhoun have built and sustained programs for much longer than Sprinkle ever did. They're clearly not a flash in the pan who won a bunch of games on the back of one amazing player. Success in March is mostly about luck. Winning year in and year out is the sign of a truly good coach, especially if the program was bad when you took over. Simon, Kowalczyk, and Calhoun all fit that description. Sprinkle, Odom, and Smith, all had much thinner resumes. They worked out, but they could have flamed out just as easily.

The Truth · Post by **The Truth** » March 29th, 2024, 11:15 am

AggiePharm wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 10:49 am
Mat Langel would absolutely be a slam dunk hire in my opinion. Maybe he's just holding out for the perfect opportunity because his name hasn't really popped up in the big-name program searches this cycle. But he's been extremely successful at Colgate (minus an NCAA win, but as a 14-15 seed that's a tall ask) and we'd be doubling his salary.

Langel's got one giant problem though - he is in the wrong state. the AD has hired a search firm, perhaps you've heard of them? Ohio Coaches R' Us....and they work exclusively to help employ and promote coaches only within the state boundaries.

splintorb · Post by **splintorb** » March 29th, 2024, 11:15 am

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:11 am

bpd wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am
Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.
How on earth was Sprinkle a "home run hire" compared to any of our current candidates? Because he had two good seasons, one of which he didn't even win the regular season title in the Big Sky? And how much of that success was due to Darius Brown? If I were UW, I would be very concerned that Sprinkle is going to be a .500 coach once he no longer has Brown on his roster. Both the Tod(d)'s and Jerrod Calhoun have built and sustained programs for much longer than Sprinkle ever did. They're clearly not a flash in the pan who won a bunch of games on the back of one amazing player. Success in March is mostly about luck. Winning year in and year out is the sign of a truly good coach, especially if the program was bad when you took over. Simon, Kowalczyk, and Calhoun all fit that description. Sprinkle, Odom, and Smith, all had much thinner resumes. They worked out, but they could have flamed out just as easily.

I'm with you on the candidates that we have looking good, but, one BIG thing about Sprinkle and UW that you are failing to mention is the DEEP pockets he has waiting to be used to get 2-3 Darius Brown's.

StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » March 29th, 2024, 11:18 am

splintorb wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:15 am

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:11 am

bpd wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am
Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.
How on earth was Sprinkle a "home run hire" compared to any of our current candidates? Because he had two good seasons, one of which he didn't even win the regular season title in the Big Sky? And how much of that success was due to Darius Brown? If I were UW, I would be very concerned that Sprinkle is going to be a .500 coach once he no longer has Brown on his roster. Both the Tod(d)'s and Jerrod Calhoun have built and sustained programs for much longer than Sprinkle ever did. They're clearly not a flash in the pan who won a bunch of games on the back of one amazing player. Success in March is mostly about luck. Winning year in and year out is the sign of a truly good coach, especially if the program was bad when you took over. Simon, Kowalczyk, and Calhoun all fit that description. Sprinkle, Odom, and Smith, all had much thinner resumes. They worked out, but they could have flamed out just as easily.
I'm with you on the candidates that we have looking good, but, one BIG thing about Sprinkle and UW that you are failing to mention is the DEEP pockets he has waiting to be used to get 2-3 Darius Brown's.

Those deep pockets didn't seem to help Mike Hopkins much. It's going to be very interesting to see how Sprinkle performs without Darius Brown on his roster. I think he's a great coach, but I wouldn't pay $4 million for him at this point. Part of me is glad that USU isn't paying $2 million for him, because if he face palms without Brown, that would be an expensive mistake.

splintorb · Post by **splintorb** » March 29th, 2024, 11:20 am

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:18 am

splintorb wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:15 am

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 11:11 am

bpd wrote: ↑
March 29th, 2024, 7:55 am
Unlike last year, where Sprinkle was a slam dunk hire, we don't have that this year and that is no fault of anybody. TK is a real good coach. Are there red flags because of his defense, sure. But, TS also has red flags, possibly more red flags. Eric Henderson, red flags. Chris Victor. You get the point. For those arguing over one coach is so much better than the other, we all have no clue because all are flawed.

This does not mean they are going to fail at USU. They all have been successful in their own right as well.
How on earth was Sprinkle a "home run hire" compared to any of our current candidates? Because he had two good seasons, one of which he didn't even win the regular season title in the Big Sky? And how much of that success was due to Darius Brown? If I were UW, I would be very concerned that Sprinkle is going to be a .500 coach once he no longer has Brown on his roster. Both the Tod(d)'s and Jerrod Calhoun have built and sustained programs for much longer than Sprinkle ever did. They're clearly not a flash in the pan who won a bunch of games on the back of one amazing player. Success in March is mostly about luck. Winning year in and year out is the sign of a truly good coach, especially if the program was bad when you took over. Simon, Kowalczyk, and Calhoun all fit that description. Sprinkle, Odom, and Smith, all had much thinner resumes. They worked out, but they could have flamed out just as easily.
I'm with you on the candidates that we have looking good, but, one BIG thing about Sprinkle and UW that you are failing to mention is the DEEP pockets he has waiting to be used to get 2-3 Darius Brown's.
Those deep pockets didn't seem to help Mike Hopkins much. It's going to be very interesting to see how Sprinkle performs without Darius Brown on his roster. I think he's a great coach, but I wouldn't pay $4 million for him at this point. Part of me is glad that USU isn't paying $2 million for him, because if he face palms without Brown, that would be an expensive mistake.

For sure! And i've been thinking about that "luck" from Sprinkle and Brown, but, I think Sprinkle can recruit (or bring people to his staff that can recruit).

There has also been rumor spread on the Internet that Sprinkle received a large donation for NIL, i'm assuming it is more than Hopkins had.

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