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Re: Great Osobor
Does brings up an interesting question: how do foreign college athletes get paid? Don't they have to have a work visa? I doubt they came here on a work visa, so how do they report their earnings to the IRS, etc????
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Re: Great Osobor
Any player would be smart to say this even if they knew that they were 100% gone:
That comment doesn't mean $hit one way or the other.Osobor says he will also consider a return to USU as he explores his options in the portal.
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Re: Great Osobor
I can tell you this, the NIL dough that the big 3 or 4 got this year, was kept VERY hush, hush. Not even the other dudes on the team knew who got how much.TrueAG wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:00 pmYeah I know but in some ways this may be more risky. It's out in the open, people will know about it. Do these kids have proper guidance on taxes, proper visas, contract expectations etc.aggies22 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:52 pmI agree, it's NOT all good. But before NIL, this was how this all went down at P5 schools for DECADES.TrueAG wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:47 pmI guess if you are ok with fraud and risk being deported and blacklisted. It's all good..aggies22 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pmA kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.Aggie702 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pmThere are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.TrueAG wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pmThat was my question? A student and work visa are very different.scotlandog wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pmHave we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?ryguy417 wrote:Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.
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Agreed. And I certainly don't understand the infatuation to grovel, throw money at, and kiss the feet of some 20 year-old kid to come and play an amateur sport at my university for a year. This whole thing is nuts. What are we doing?newhouse9 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:04 pmThat's pretty much what I'm saying. Let them go, wish them well.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:37 pmJust out of curiosity, why should these athletes be given any more of a congratulations or well wishes than a regular student that decides to transfer to another school? The athletes have already had their school paid for and now get NIL money on top of that for doing absolutely nothing in return (as near as I can tell) - what more do we owe them? Yes, they wire the USU jersey and played ball, but they don't care about the school or you and me. I shrug my shoulders and move on with my life. They do the same.
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He’s going to miss the outdoors. Has he ever even been to second dam?!
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Josh is 60/40 on staying.
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Damn. Utah --> Maryland --> Utah State --> Some wealthy NIL schoolJonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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I think this is the way college sports is headed if they don't do something. NO contracts, not limits...if anyone has a good season, they'll shop for more money every year. Why wouldn't they? Ian is just the first or many many more to come I fear.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:20 pmWell, I appreciate him lending us his mercenary skills this season. The man is a basketball drifter though!JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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Contracts are coming. And then they’ll be allowed to trade contracts. And then pro teams will develop relationships and become sponsors of programs. And then we’ll have a second NBA minor league.kofdog wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:36 pmI think this is the way college sports is headed if they don't do something. NO contracts, not limits...if anyone has a good season, they'll shop for more money every year. Why wouldn't they? Ian is just the first or many many more to come I fear.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:20 pmWell, I appreciate him lending us his mercenary skills this season. The man is a basketball drifter though!JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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Do their agents check courses to keep these mercenaries on track to get a diploma as they bilk these universities out of tuition money? They make sure the credits transfer from state to state and school to school?kofdog wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:36 pmI think this is the way college sports is headed if they don't do something. NO contracts, not limits...if anyone has a good season, they'll shop for more money every year. Why wouldn't they? Ian is just the first or many many more to come I fear.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:20 pmWell, I appreciate him lending us his mercenary skills this season. The man is a basketball drifter though!JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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I don’t keep tabs on players families all I know is he’s from Costa Rica lol.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:50 pmI'm talking about the fact that his family lives in northern Virginia where his dad is a basketball trainer. Not really all that difficult.Hoot wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:44 pmCloser to home might be difficult for Ian.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pmAny insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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So closer to Northern Virginia? That would be a place like, I don't know, Maryland? If that was important to him, why leave in the first place to go to USU?Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:50 pmI'm talking about the fact that his family lives in northern Virginia where his dad is a basketball trainer. Not really all that difficult.Hoot wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:44 pmCloser to home might be difficult for Ian.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pmAny insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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They already have that, it's called the G-league. No one cares or watches it because it's not artificially attached to a University. It's still new enough and we are all programmed to root for our schools no matter what but this will kill basketball. Football probably withstands it but Men's college basketball is already on life support.justinmorrey wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:39 pmContracts are coming. And then they’ll be allowed to trade contracts. And then pro teams will develop relationships and become sponsors of programs. And then we’ll have a second NBA minor league.kofdog wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:36 pmI think this is the way college sports is headed if they don't do something. NO contracts, not limits...if anyone has a good season, they'll shop for more money every year. Why wouldn't they? Ian is just the first or many many more to come I fear.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:20 pmWell, I appreciate him lending us his mercenary skills this season. The man is a basketball drifter though!JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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Testing the NBA waters (which means unofficially declared NBA draft)
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I said declare in early November.
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I said declare in early November.
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I don't know, why did Ryan Odom leave Maryland to come to Utah State, only to bounce right back? People do stuff like that all the time. Leave home and their family only to realize they miss it and want to go back.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 2:49 pmSo closer to Northern Virginia? That would be a place like, I don't know, Maryland? If that was important to him, why leave in the first place to go to USU?Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:50 pmI'm talking about the fact that his family lives in northern Virginia where his dad is a basketball trainer. Not really all that difficult.Hoot wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:44 pmCloser to home might be difficult for Ian.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pmAny insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pmIan was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.
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All I did was ask if that was potential driving force in Martinez wanting to leave USU regardless of who the coach was.
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I don't remember a time he missed on someone leaving. He has missed on what schools they leave for, but not that they leave at all. One thing we can somewhat count as a miss was that Pat Joyner was staying after all, but even that was after being right the first time telling us he was leaving. He was quiet about Ike the last go around, but after the 2022 season, he was telling us accurately all along he was staying.
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They say they aren't ruling out a return just in case they don't get the offers they anticipate. Steven, on the day he announced he was going to Creighton, listed his final 6 or 8 or so final schools, and along with BYU, listed returning to USU as one of them.Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:24 pmDidn't Steven say the same thing?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:21 pmGreat hasn’t ruled out a return.
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If he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
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I will add that THIS is the kind of thing he is usually accurate on.
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The offers he was getting and lack of ability for Danny to match them was one thing he was complaining about with being here.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 1:36 pmWho is to say that Osobor wouldn’t have entered the portal even had Danny stayed? You think he hasn’t been getting offers all year?
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Coastal CarolinaRoy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
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Do you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
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Great should give half his money to Brown. Great is awesome but will he have a PG that looks for him on every single play and is an incredible post passer. DB had mastered the lost art of feeding the post.
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But what is a Junior putting up those stats worth? He is a fringe MW starter. Those guys aren't getting huge NIL deals. I am guessing we would be very competitive.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:11 pmDo you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
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You completely misunderstood my post. Allow me to rephrase:Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:11 pmDo you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
"If he leaves, I'm super curious to see what team actually forks out good NIL $ for a guy from Utah State that averaged 8 ppg and shot 27% from the 3.
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I would bet anything we'll see a drop in Great's production next year and a frustrated fan base at times, even though he's a year older and should be even better with another offseason to improve his skills and strength/conditioning.
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Sorry. I did understand what you were saying. I just added my commentary in, as well. If Dorius was able to get $60K out of UVU, as reported, there may be someone willing to throw a little stupid money at a poor shooting, but athletic, wing player that didn't start at USU. I hope he finds what he's looking fur.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:14 pmYou completely misunderstood my post. Allow me to rephrase:Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:11 pmDo you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
"If he leaves, I'm super curious to see what team actually forks out good NIL $ for a guy from Utah State that averaged 8 ppg and shot 27% from the 3.
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GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:08 pmI will add that THIS is the kind of thing he is usually accurate on.
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Agreed. And there is now a lot of film on Osobor available. A good coaching staff at P5 schools will have the ability to gameplan better for him and will have the size and athleticism to defend him. I would not be surprised to see his production drop dramatically.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:16 pmI would bet anything we'll see a drop in Great's production next year and a frustrated fan base at times, even though he's a year older and should be even better with another offseason to improve his skills and strength/conditioning.
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Unfortunately it seems for a lot of players, no all, but a lot I think they could care less about winning. Just how much $$$$ they can get.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:11 pmDo you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.
Im not saying that Josh is one of those guys. Im just commenting on the state of basketball.
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A broad statement that is difficult to prove. Some want fit and culture AND money. It would be illogical to assume they all want the same thing. I’ve chased money before. I didn’t love how it turned out. So you might even have a few who don’t care about the money.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:11 pmDo you think where he goes matters as much to him as how much money someone would be willing to pay him? I don't think the guys are looking at "fit", "culture:, "head coach/mentor", "playing time", or "a chance to grow as a person and player",, "to be closer to home/family", or any of the other reasons people gave for transferring in the past anymore. They are looking to get paid, regardless of where that is.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2024, 3:07 pmIf he leaves, I'm super curious to see where an 8 ppg 27% 3pt shooter goes in the transfer portal.