Current State of USU Basketball

SLB · Post by **SLB** » April 19th, 2024, 11:38 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.

I was wondering on whynott any updates.

ereksonaggie · Post by **ereksonaggie** » April 19th, 2024, 11:52 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:45 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:43 pm
Am I the only one that thinks Ian is probably worth the $200k in NIL money he’s asking for?

Like that ask doesn’t seem crazy to me for a player of his caliber in a universe where Dallin Hall wants $600k and Steven Ashworth is getting $400k. Ian is a better player than either of those two.
It does suck to know we can’t afford 200k.

But it isn't $200K, right? Isn't that just to be considered?

Turtle · Post by **Turtle** » April 19th, 2024, 12:03 pm

ereksonaggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:52 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:45 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:43 pm
Am I the only one that thinks Ian is probably worth the $200k in NIL money he’s asking for?

Like that ask doesn’t seem crazy to me for a player of his caliber in a universe where Dallin Hall wants $600k and Steven Ashworth is getting $400k. Ian is a better player than either of those two.
It does suck to know we can’t afford 200k.
But it isn't $200K, right? Isn't that just to be considered?

I have heard it was NEAR 200k, likely over it factoring in other perks, but the "ask" was 250k plus perks.

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » April 19th, 2024, 12:31 pm

Zaggie07 wrote:
aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 10:44 am

AGGIEinIOWA wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 10:25 am
What are the expectations for Phelps? He’s an athletic and physically impressive 6’6” off guard/wing. Apparently he is a very good defender, a good slasher, gets to the foul line, but is a little unknown in regard to outside shooting. Anyone heard anything from how he did in practice or on scout team last year? I was hoping he’d step into a nice little support role this year and provide some good minutes. He’s got the physical tools for sure. We were really excited about his athleticism when we signed him. He’s also the son of a coach and had well rounded stat line in high school.
Desperately needs to improve his outside shooting.
Sounds like Phelps can just slide into Max's role.

This is what I was thinking. Everyone was clamoring for Max to come back but he only shot 15% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game. I think Phelps could do better than that and still fill the long defensive wing role. He’s got a high ceiling and worth some investment.

cval · Post by **cval** » April 19th, 2024, 12:34 pm

When it comes to NIL, I would bet that wanting is not the same as getting.

I wonder if a lot of the numbers we are hearing are wants, not gets.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 19th, 2024, 12:37 pm

cval wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:34 pm
When it comes to NIL, I would bet that wanting is not the same as getting.

I wonder if a lot of the numbers we are hearing are wants, not gets.

What keeps a collective from promising compensation and then claiming the money ran out down the road?

cval · Post by **cval** » April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

Wasn’t there some chatter about that happening at one of our neighbors to the south?

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.

Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.

brian5562 · Post by **brian5562** » April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.

Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 19th, 2024, 1:45 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.

If Sam had played in this NIL universe I’m not so sure he wouldn’t have left for 500k. Glad we never had to face that possibility.

ususports · Post by **ususports** » April 19th, 2024, 2:00 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.

So a kid who originally committed to us, but is now de-committed, and is listed as "minor chance" he comes, is expected by some on here to stay all four years? I would definitely error on the side of classifying that as not realistic.

tipitup · Post by **tipitup** » April 19th, 2024, 2:01 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:45 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.
If Sam had played in this NIL universe I’m not so sure he wouldn’t have left for 500k. Glad we never had to face that possibility.

Why would you think that wynott would stay here for 4 years? he isn't even here and has bailed on USU once! I would love to see him here, i wanna see what he can do!!

brian5562 · Post by **brian5562** » April 19th, 2024, 2:08 pm

The hope, whether realistic or not

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » April 19th, 2024, 2:37 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:45 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.
If Sam had played in this NIL universe I’m not so sure he wouldn’t have left for 500k. Glad we never had to face that possibility.

Yeah, I try to put myself in Sam’s theoretical shoes. Not sure what I’d do. I’m glad I don’t have to make that choice.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » April 19th, 2024, 3:54 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:28 am

AggiePT wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 10:54 am
If Great leaves, I personally think a need is a bigger, more physical player in the post. I love Big Fish and the addition of Gateretse. But the MWC is a physical conference. Will Templin develop enough to play that role next season? I hope so. But I would like to see another big body veteran (maybe senior) player to share time with Templin as he develops and shares time.
Hard to convince a senior big to come in and be a back up though.

Dynes feels like the perfect fit. Backup 5, good defensively and huge, can start next year, won’t get poached hopefully, etc

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 19th, 2024, 3:57 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 3:54 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:28 am

AggiePT wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 10:54 am
If Great leaves, I personally think a need is a bigger, more physical player in the post. I love Big Fish and the addition of Gateretse. But the MWC is a physical conference. Will Templin develop enough to play that role next season? I hope so. But I would like to see another big body veteran (maybe senior) player to share time with Templin as he develops and shares time.
Hard to convince a senior big to come in and be a back up though.
Dynes feels like the perfect fit. Backup 5, good defensively and huge, can start next year, won’t get poached hopefully, etc

Agreed. He's young and still a little raw so he'd be okay getting bench minutes for year and then starting next year.

nswaggie · Post by **nswaggie** » April 19th, 2024, 6:21 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 2:37 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:45 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.
If Sam had played in this NIL universe I’m not so sure he wouldn’t have left for 500k. Glad we never had to face that possibility.
Yeah, I try to put myself in Sam’s theoretical shoes. Not sure what I’d do. I’m glad I don’t have to make that choice.

I wish I had to make that choice.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » April 19th, 2024, 6:55 pm

nswaggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 6:21 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 2:37 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:45 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 1:38 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 12:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
Lol an incoming freshman's commitment could be more impactful than the MW Player of the Year's?

I guess he theoretically *could* be the next Steph Curry and also willing to stick around at Utah State for four years and lead us to multiple national titles. But let's pump the damn brakes here for a second.
Yes it could be. The hope, whether realistic or not, would be that Wynott would be here for his collegiate career. There is a ton of unknown like with any recruit but the hope for Wynott is that he can become an Aggie legend the likes of Sam Merrill.
If Sam had played in this NIL universe I’m not so sure he wouldn’t have left for 500k. Glad we never had to face that possibility.
Yeah, I try to put myself in Sam’s theoretical shoes. Not sure what I’d do. I’m glad I don’t have to make that choice.
I wish I had to make that choice.

People severely underestimate what I’d do for 500k lol

Post by **aggies22** » April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.

We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.

Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » April 19th, 2024, 7:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.

That’s too bad. Oh well. Trust in Calhoun and his direction.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » April 19th, 2024, 7:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.

Good luck being a Husky or Cougar

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.

Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…

bigblue32 · Post by **bigblue32** » April 19th, 2024, 7:19 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…

High school recruits are a thing of the past for us I bet. I fully trust Calhoun at this point. Let’s go Aggies!

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 19th, 2024, 7:26 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:19 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…
High school recruits are a thing of the past for us I bet. I fully trust Calhoun at this point. Let’s go Aggies!

There is no reason to waste recruiting time on high school recruits unless they’re good enough to contribute immediately. May as well raid the juco ranks.

bigblue32 · Post by **bigblue32** » April 19th, 2024, 7:33 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:26 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:19 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…
High school recruits are a thing of the past for us I bet. I fully trust Calhoun at this point. Let’s go Aggies!
There is no reason to waste recruiting time on high school recruits unless they’re good enough to contribute immediately. May as well raid the juco ranks.

I agree, moneyballing with grad seniors, the occasional returner we hang onto with NIL and rolling out a new team every year. It can work. Embrace the future and be on the right side of history;)

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 19th, 2024, 7:35 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:33 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:26 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:19 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…
High school recruits are a thing of the past for us I bet. I fully trust Calhoun at this point. Let’s go Aggies!
There is no reason to waste recruiting time on high school recruits unless they’re good enough to contribute immediately. May as well raid the juco ranks.
I agree, moneyballing with grad seniors, the occasional returner we hang onto with NIL and rolling out a new team every year. It can work. Embrace the future and be on the right side of history;)

It just makes zero sense to invest in developing a player who is going to leave the moment they have any value.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » April 19th, 2024, 7:42 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:35 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:33 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:26 pm

bigblue32 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:19 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:07 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
Why though? Seems he’d fit the system…
High school recruits are a thing of the past for us I bet. I fully trust Calhoun at this point. Let’s go Aggies!
There is no reason to waste recruiting time on high school recruits unless they’re good enough to contribute immediately. May as well raid the juco ranks.
I agree, moneyballing with grad seniors, the occasional returner we hang onto with NIL and rolling out a new team every year. It can work. Embrace the future and be on the right side of history;)
It just makes zero sense to invest in developing a player who is going to leave the moment they have any value.

I agree. At this stage it makes 0 sense to recruit a HS kid unless it’s a very special set of circumstances.

GUS · Post by **GUS** » April 19th, 2024, 8:08 pm

I would still recruit high school players that are local. By that I mean anyone within a 300 mile radius. Also, any legacy kids should also be recruited. There is a chance those type of kids will hang around just like Johnson and Faslev.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 19th, 2024, 8:10 pm

I still think it makes sense to recruit high school kids in the state of Utah that can contribute. That is especially true if they're already fans of the program. Other than that I don't see a lot of value and going after high school recruits at our program. The thing with Wynott is he had his chance to be here he's the one that decided to open up his recruitment.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » April 19th, 2024, 8:49 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.

Maybe we'll get him in a year on the rebound.

Stucki · Post by **Stucki** » April 19th, 2024, 8:57 pm

Recruiting players has to be a 2 way street. If they are no longer showing interest, we need to move on.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » April 19th, 2024, 9:05 pm

We probably needed an answer to make decisions and didn't have one so moved on.

bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » April 19th, 2024, 11:03 pm

Don’t know who this guy is or if he is at all reliable but if this true, it’s a bad look and one we have to fix like yesterday. Can’t be not fulfilling promises. That will kill your whole program in a hurry (which makes me think there’s more to the story but perception is everything).

Post by **Aglicious** » April 19th, 2024, 11:25 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 7:00 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:37 am
Any word yet on Wynott @aggies22? His commitment might be more impact full than Great's.
We are no longer recruiting Kase Wynott.
That’s too bad. Oh well. Trust in Calhoun and his direction.

Agreed. Although I'm not all that upset about cutting Wynott loose. I was not that high on him to begin with and I'll be shocked if he ends up making any immediate impact at either of those schools (if they indeed sign him). I could see him doing well at a WAC or Big West school in a couple of years from now and maybe finding his way to a higher level after that.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 19th, 2024, 11:35 pm

bluegrouse wrote: ↑
April 19th, 2024, 11:03 pm
Don’t know who this guy is or if he is at all reliable but if this true, it’s a bad look and one we have to fix like yesterday. Can’t be not fulfilling promises. That will kill your whole program in a hurry (which makes me think there’s more to the story but perception is everything).

For starters USU can't guarantee any NIL money that is through the collective. USU cannot enter into contracts with players regarding NIL.

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