Current State of USU Basketball

SLB · Post by **SLB** » April 15th, 2024, 7:03 pm

Aglicious wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 7:01 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 6:06 pm

ereksonaggie95 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 3:45 pm
I would rather have Great, I don't know much about the guy from Stetson. I just think it's weird that he isn't bringing anyone with him. Maybe it's because all of his best players were seniors?
Perhaps the jump from Youngstown State and the Atlantic Sun Conference is too big going to Utah State and the Mountain West.
Man I hope that doesn't prove to be the case, seeing that our new PG is from the ASun conference.

The Asun was the 26th ranked conference though. Youngstown State's Horizon league was only marginally better at 20th.

That is my concern about our PG, and I am still wanting another player that can do PG to be safe.
High risk high reward move at PG and 100% excited about Albury

scotlandog · Post by **scotlandog** » April 15th, 2024, 7:24 pm

Aglicious wrote:
aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 6:06 pm

ereksonaggie95 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 3:45 pm
I would rather have Great, I don't know much about the guy from Stetson. I just think it's weird that he isn't bringing anyone with him. Maybe it's because all of his best players were seniors?
Perhaps the jump from Youngstown State and the Atlantic Sun Conference is too big going to Utah State and the Mountain West.
Man I hope that doesn't prove to be the case, seeing that our new PG is from the ASun conference.

The Asun was the 26th ranked conference though. Youngstown State's Horizon league was only marginally better at 20th.

He did drop 23 on Duke who is in a little bit lower league than us. So he should be good for 15-18pts against most MWC teams.

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AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » April 15th, 2024, 7:53 pm

Even if Great comes back, we will need another big or two to replace Sakho and D. Grant.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 15th, 2024, 8:21 pm

Aglicious wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 7:01 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 6:06 pm

ereksonaggie95 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 3:45 pm
I would rather have Great, I don't know much about the guy from Stetson. I just think it's weird that he isn't bringing anyone with him. Maybe it's because all of his best players were seniors?
Perhaps the jump from Youngstown State and the Atlantic Sun Conference is too big going to Utah State and the Mountain West.
Man I hope that doesn't prove to be the case, seeing that our new PG is from the ASun conference.

The Asun was the 26th ranked conference though. Youngstown State's Horizon league was only marginally better at 20th.

Let me preface this by mentioning that i am not saying that Albury will be as effective as Brown was this year for the Aggies but based on prior year stats it is a good comparison. Based on similar competition between the 2 in the Big Sky and ASUN I think Albury can play well at the MWC level with other MW caliber players on his team.

2022-2023 Darius Brown stats. Big Sky 3rd team all conference and defensive player of the year. Big Sky in 2022-2023 was ranked as the 24th best conference that year. 9.1 points, 4.9 assists, 1.8 steals, 4.4 rebounds and 1.6 turnovers per game.

2023-2024 Deyton Albury stats. ASUN newcomer of the year and 3rd team all conference. ASUN in 2023-2024 was ranked as the 26th best conference this year. 17 points, 5.8 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.2 steal and 3.3 turnovers per game.

travelingagg · Post by **travelingagg** » April 16th, 2024, 10:41 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 8:21 pm

Aglicious wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 7:01 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 6:06 pm

ereksonaggie95 wrote: ↑
April 15th, 2024, 3:45 pm
I would rather have Great, I don't know much about the guy from Stetson. I just think it's weird that he isn't bringing anyone with him. Maybe it's because all of his best players were seniors?
Perhaps the jump from Youngstown State and the Atlantic Sun Conference is too big going to Utah State and the Mountain West.
Man I hope that doesn't prove to be the case, seeing that our new PG is from the ASun conference.

The Asun was the 26th ranked conference though. Youngstown State's Horizon league was only marginally better at 20th.
Let me preface this by mentioning that i am not saying that Albury will be as effective as Brown was this year for the Aggies but based on prior year stats it is a good comparison. Based on similar competition between the 2 in the Big Sky and ASUN I think Albury can play well at the MWC level with other MW caliber players on his team.

2022-2023 Darius Brown stats. Big Sky 3rd team all conference and defensive player of the year. Big Sky in 2022-2023 was ranked as the 24th best conference that year. 9.1 points, 4.9 assists, 1.8 steals, 4.4 rebounds and 1.6 turnovers per game.

2023-2024 Deyton Albury stats. ASUN newcomer of the year and 3rd team all conference. ASUN in 2023-2024 was ranked as the 26th best conference this year. 17 points, 5.8 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.2 steal and 3.3 turnovers per game.

Slightly lower defensive numbers; slightly better offensive numbers, all aligned with our new coach. Nice.

EngineeringAggie · Post by **EngineeringAggie** » April 18th, 2024, 11:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 4th, 2024, 1:13 pm
After assessing how things have transpired this week and trying to do as much research as I can, this is my PREDICTION as to who stays, who is going, and who is on the fence. If at any time I have reason to believe that my prediction needs to be altered I will do so.

Nigel Burris - Stays at Utah State
Mason Falslev - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Jackson Grant - Stays at Utah State
Isaac Johnson - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Garrison Phelps - Stays at Utah State
Karson Templin - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Jaxon Smith - Stays at Utah State
Josh Uduje - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
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Ian Martinez - VERY HIGH chance he stays at Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Great Osobor - EXTREMELY LOW chance he stays at Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
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Max Agbonkpolo - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Landon Brenchley - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Dallin Grant - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Javon Jackson - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Kalifa Sakho - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
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Jordy Barnes - Will Sign at Utah State
Chris Cox - HIGH chance he signs at Utah State
Terrence Hill - MINOR chance he signs at Utah State
Kase Wynott - MINOR chance he signs at Utah State

Happy to see the update about Ian. Sucks to see Osobor get less likely that he comes back.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » April 18th, 2024, 11:26 am

EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 11:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 4th, 2024, 1:13 pm
After assessing how things have transpired this week and trying to do as much research as I can, this is my PREDICTION as to who stays, who is going, and who is on the fence. If at any time I have reason to believe that my prediction needs to be altered I will do so.

Nigel Burris - Stays at Utah State
Mason Falslev - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Jackson Grant - Stays at Utah State
Isaac Johnson - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Garrison Phelps - Stays at Utah State
Karson Templin - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
Jaxon Smith - Stays at Utah State
Josh Uduje - Stays at Utah State - Has been announced.
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Ian Martinez - VERY HIGH chance he stays at Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Great Osobor - EXTREMELY LOW chance he stays at Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
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Max Agbonkpolo - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Landon Brenchley - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Dallin Grant - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Javon Jackson - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
Kalifa Sakho - No Return to Utah State - Has announced transfer portal entry.
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Jordy Barnes - Will Sign at Utah State
Chris Cox - HIGH chance he signs at Utah State
Terrence Hill - MINOR chance he signs at Utah State
Kase Wynott - MINOR chance he signs at Utah State
Happy to see the update about Ian. Sucks to see Osobor get less likely that he comes back.

Agreed - and if we don't get Osobor I hope he doesn't go to Washington. No particular reason other than spite, lol.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 18th, 2024, 11:27 am

When do we expect Ian to make a final decision on his plans?

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » April 18th, 2024, 11:29 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 11:27 am
When do we expect Ian to make a final decision on his plans?

By no later than May 1st.

jprism · Post by **jprism** » April 18th, 2024, 9:55 pm

I assume this changes things regarding “extremely high” chance Martinez returns?

https://x.com/brianphillipsa1/status/17 ... d0OgGmSQeQ

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Post by **aggies22** » April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm

And just like that your luck can change.

EngineeringAggie · Post by **EngineeringAggie** » April 18th, 2024, 9:58 pm

These last few days have been really sucky for Utah state fans…

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » April 18th, 2024, 9:59 pm

We’ll be fine. Returning two starters and MW 6MOTY. A stellar signing in Albury already.

I am so stoked to be returning Isaac, Mason, and Josh. Better than I thought we’d do!

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » April 18th, 2024, 10:02 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.

Go get shulga

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.

Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?

greggers1868 · Post by **greggers1868** » April 18th, 2024, 10:05 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.
Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?

Bad. He’s saying that Ian went from almost certainly coming back to probably not coming back.

Post by **aggies22** » April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.
Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?

For all the success we had last week. It's been a disappointing week.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm

Honestly, I'm just ready for Great and Ian to announce they're moving on.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 18th, 2024, 10:11 pm

Wait so all the twitter accounts tweeting things about it being a “Great” day and other things along those lines a few days back didn’t actually know sh*t?

Consider me shocked.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » April 18th, 2024, 10:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm
Honestly, I'm just ready for Great and Ian to announce they're moving on.

Yep, time to (I can't express myself without swearing) or get off the pot! We gots a team to build. If you’re moving on, thanks for the memories but please get your (I can't express myself without swearing) and leave.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » April 18th, 2024, 10:13 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.
Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?
For all the success we had last week. It's been a disappointing week.

If (when) Ian leaves would we try and keep Max A now that it appears he has his medical waiver?

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » April 18th, 2024, 10:13 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm
Honestly, I'm just ready for Great and Ian to announce they're moving on.

Agreed, stay or move on but make the decision quickly.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » April 18th, 2024, 10:18 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:06 pm
Honestly, I'm just ready for Great and Ian to announce they're moving on.
Yep, time to (I can't express myself without swearing) or get off the pot! We gots a team to build. If you’re moving on, thanks for the memories but please get your (I can't express myself without swearing) and leave.

Be like Sprinkle, who didn't even flush or wash his hands.

Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » April 18th, 2024, 10:19 pm

The almighty dollar wins again.

This is setting so many kids up for failure in life.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 18th, 2024, 10:22 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:11 pm
Wait so all the twitter accounts tweeting things about it being a “Great” day and other things along those lines a few days back didn’t actually know sh*t?

Consider me shocked.

Those were before Kentucky entered the picture.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 18th, 2024, 10:32 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
shoresy wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:11 pm
Wait so all the twitter accounts tweeting things about it being a “Great” day and other things along those lines a few days back didn’t actually know sh*t?

Consider me shocked.
Those were before Kentucky entered the picture.

I’m aware

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ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » April 18th, 2024, 10:33 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:19 pm
The almighty dollar wins again.

This is setting so many kids up for failure in life.

I get that it sucks for us, but getting a million dollars to play for a blue blood isn’t what I think of as a kid getting set up for failure in life. More like a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a lot of money and play at the highest level of basketball.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » April 18th, 2024, 10:36 pm

greggers1868 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:05 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.
Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?
Bad. He’s saying that Ian went from almost certainly coming back to probably not coming back.

We might as well be throwing darts at a dartboard in predicting what these players will do. I’m unsure what the basis of us feeling that Ian was almost certain to remain at USU but within a day or two having him being almost out the door. Was Ian’s old man’s demand late-breaking news? I can’t imagine it was.

One thing for sure is that the portal and NIL have made the month following the tourney a lot more exciting and nerve wracking. Compounding that is our near annual search for a new coach.

FL350Aggie · Post by **FL350Aggie** » April 18th, 2024, 10:38 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:36 pm

greggers1868 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:05 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:03 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 9:56 pm
And just like that your luck can change.
Is this a good thing or bad thing for the aggies?
Bad. He’s saying that Ian went from almost certainly coming back to probably not coming back.
We might as well be throwing darts at a dartboard in predicting what these players will do. I’m unsure what the basis of us feeling that Ian was almost certain to remain at USU but within a day or two having him being almost out the door. Was Ian’s old man’s demand late-breaking news? I can’t imagine it was.

One thing for sure is that the portal and NIL have made the month following the tourney a lot more exciting and nerve wracking. Compounding that is our near annual search for a new coach.

Long live the Oakland’s and Jack Gohlkes of the world, keep sticking it those millionaires/billionaire boosters and their “blue blood” arrogance.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 18th, 2024, 10:39 pm

Calhoun must have known Great was gone a few days ago and that’s why he had bigs on campus this week.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » April 18th, 2024, 10:40 pm

I guess this how it feels to be a championship or second level soccer team over in England. They get their best players poached all the time, it’s essentially going to become a 2 tiered system now since the ncaa can’t do (I can't express myself without swearing) about it.

At the very least maybe the have nots and mid majors will get a little more love from refs in the tournament, rather than the typical one sided reffing against power conf teams. Any true college basketball fan would rather see the group of underpaid underdogs make a run over the teams who just bought their way to the tournament.

And from the selection committee on the bubble. If you spend 4 mil on your team and can only get a 40 net then give me the MW and MVC teams who spent 500-750k over them at 45

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 18th, 2024, 10:42 pm

The poaching is one thing, the sitting in limbo for 2 weeks is another and far worse for my psyche. So much time wasted.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » April 18th, 2024, 10:43 pm

Am I the only one that thinks Ian is probably worth the $200k in NIL money he’s asking for?

Like that ask doesn’t seem crazy to me for a player of his caliber in a universe where Dallin Hall wants $600k and Steven Ashworth is getting $400k. Ian is a better player than either of those two.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » April 18th, 2024, 10:45 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:43 pm
Am I the only one that thinks Ian is probably worth the $200k in NIL money he’s asking for?

Like that ask doesn’t seem crazy to me for a player of his caliber in a universe where Dallin Hall wants $600k and Steven Ashworth is getting $400k. Ian is a better player than either of those two.

It does suck to know we can’t afford 200k.

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » April 18th, 2024, 10:46 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:33 pm

Section_L_Aggie wrote: ↑
April 18th, 2024, 10:19 pm
The almighty dollar wins again.

This is setting so many kids up for failure in life.
I get that it sucks for us, but getting a million dollars to play for a blue blood isn’t what I think of as a kid getting set up for failure in life. More like a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a lot of money and play at the highest level of basketball.

Exactly! I can't even make a good faith argument for staying at Utah State unless he just really wanted to hang around because he got comfortable here. I think he'd do some work here. But I think Great will step up and do some work anywhere he ends up. I won't spout that fan board "have fun riding the bench" word vomit.

There's only one thing holding Great back, and that's his conditioning. And even then, he was a force this year. Surrounded by a team of top caliber dudes, maybe he wouldn't have to be fighting and hammering every play down in the post. I got pretty tired of Danny's game plan of "just throw it to Great and let the other team mob him every play."

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