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Byu fans are delusional
So I guess jimmer is part of some tournament and has scored quite well. No idea the talent level etc and really don't care. But there are some fun comments in this twitter exchange. One guy really said he likes watching jimmer as much as bird and Jordan. And I think he is serious. Pure gold I'm telling ya.
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This is a thread that should go in the General Sports forum.
It doesn't surprise me that a byu fan would say they enjoy watching jimmer more than great nba players. They are byu fans. Saying he is comparable to them in any way is another matter. Saying he is comparable to even average current nba players would also be stupid. Good for him for finding success in China, but he is not an nba player.
It doesn't surprise me that a byu fan would say they enjoy watching jimmer more than great nba players. They are byu fans. Saying he is comparable to them in any way is another matter. Saying he is comparable to even average current nba players would also be stupid. Good for him for finding success in China, but he is not an nba player.
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Not a huge Jimmer fan, but he belongs in the NBA. I know....... he’s a BYU guy, but he’s just out there ballin against NBA caliber talent. He’s a pure shooter and has improved his defense.
He’s probably not going to get another chance, but the guy is a player. The games are fun to watch.
He’s probably not going to get another chance, but the guy is a player. The games are fun to watch.
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He’s absolutely not an NBA talent. He’s out there balling against glorified summer league squads, there are very few actual NBA-caliber talents in that tournament. He is a very good basketball player who is built to dominate overseas and in tournaments like this, but at 6’1 he does not have the right skillset to play in the NBA.Hoopsnut wrote:Not a huge Jimmer fan, but he belongs in the NBA. I know....... he’s a BYU guy, but he’s just out there ballin against NBA caliber talent. He’s a pure shooter and has improved his defense.
He’s probably not going to get another chance, but the guy is a player. The games are fun to watch.
If he belongs in the NBA, don’t you think he would have been able to stick with at least ONE of the six teams he spent time with? At least in a bench role? Especially after getting a shot with probably the best developmental team in the Spurs?
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Jimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
I don't get what the fuss is all about, and what is the point of this tournament? So he dropped 40 in a bunch of NBA wash outs and G-leaguers- so what. Morris Almond dropped 50 and I don't hear much clamoring for him.
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I don't get what the fuss is all about, and what is the point of this tournament? So he dropped 40 in a bunch of NBA wash outs and G-leaguers- so what. Morris Almond dropped 50 and I don't hear much clamoring for him.
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Well said.stang wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:53 pmHe’s absolutely not an NBA talent. He’s out there balling against glorified summer league squads, there are very few actual NBA-caliber talents in that tournament. He is a very good basketball player who is built to dominate overseas and in tournaments like this, but at 6’1 he does not have the right skillset to play in the NBA.Hoopsnut wrote:Not a huge Jimmer fan, but he belongs in the NBA. I know....... he’s a BYU guy, but he’s just out there ballin against NBA caliber talent. He’s a pure shooter and has improved his defense.
He’s probably not going to get another chance, but the guy is a player. The games are fun to watch.
If he belongs in the NBA, don’t you think he would have been able to stick with at least ONE of the six teams he spent time with? At least in a bench role? Especially after getting a shot with probably the best developmental team in the Spurs?
He got numerous chances. byu fans act like a coach or two had some grudge against him. He played for several teams and several coaches including the best coach of this era in the NBA in Greg Popovich who cut him before the regular season. He also played for Thibbs in Chicago and got zero minutes in the playoffs. He had his shot.
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That is what is so funny. If a byu fan wants to argue that jimmer belongs in the nba, ok. I'll disagree with him because he got numerous chances and couldn't stick, but I get it. Arguing jimmer is on the level of Mitchell or Lillard is just stupid. Both of those guys were immediate impact guys. One is a superstar and the other is on his way there.dyedblue wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:57 pmJimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
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He has been on like 4 or 5 different NBA teams and never stuck.
He has to have the ball in his hand constantly to be an effective scorer and plays no defense. If he had turned into a spot up shooter he probably could have had a career but he didn't. I am not surprised he is scoring in bunches in TBT. But he is not an NBA talent.
I don't blame BYU fans for enjoying watching him play. If Jaycee Carroll was in this tournament, we would all be thrilled, but I doubt any of us would be saying he should be starting the NBA or anything.
He has to have the ball in his hand constantly to be an effective scorer and plays no defense. If he had turned into a spot up shooter he probably could have had a career but he didn't. I am not surprised he is scoring in bunches in TBT. But he is not an NBA talent.
I don't blame BYU fans for enjoying watching him play. If Jaycee Carroll was in this tournament, we would all be thrilled, but I doubt any of us would be saying he should be starting the NBA or anything.
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Mitchell is 100% a superstar this very second in my mind. Guys who do what he did in the playoffs are superstars.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 4:54 pmThat is what is so funny. If a byu fan wants to argue that jimmer belongs in the nba, ok. I'll disagree with him because he got numerous chances and couldn't stick, but I get it. Arguing jimmer is on the level of Mitchell or Lillard is just stupid. Both of those guys were immediate impact guys. One is a superstar and the other is on his way there.dyedblue wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:57 pmJimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
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He definitely is not an NBA talent. His shot is probably good enough, but he lacks the athleticism to compete in the NBA. Like others have said he is a dominant overseas player because the players aren't as athletically gifted, but he isn't an NBA level athlete. He's sure fun to watch though both now and when he was in college!
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I would dare say he's not even a proven over seas player either. He's not playing in a top league, he's playing in China where competition is fairly low when compared to many of the Euroleagues.
This tourney is not all that different than his college hype with BYU fans clamoring about his shooting prowess but upon closer inspection he's was a pretty pedestrian shooter by the percentages. When you huck up 25+ shots a game you tend to have a lot of your team's points.
This tourney is not all that different than his college hype with BYU fans clamoring about his shooting prowess but upon closer inspection he's was a pretty pedestrian shooter by the percentages. When you huck up 25+ shots a game you tend to have a lot of your team's points.
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Not to totally disagree with you because I agree that the Chinese league is not all that great (although if you paid me the amount he is making plus his endorsements I'd play in the Moon is I had to) but his stats weren't that bad in college. He shot just under 40% from 3, just under 90% from the free throw line, and a little over 45% overall. Not the greatest stats of all time but I'd say that's definitely better than "pedestrian". And again, very entertaining to watch play.
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What kind of narcissist name is "Team Fredette?" And is that girl-french for the name Fred?
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You have to play on Sunday, you know?
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Not yet. He almost certainly will be, but you got to dominate the nba for several seasons before being considered a superstar.Intermeddler wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 7:36 pmMitchell is 100% a superstar this very second in my mind. Guys who do what he did in the playoffs are superstars.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 4:54 pmThat is what is so funny. If a byu fan wants to argue that jimmer belongs in the nba, ok. I'll disagree with him because he got numerous chances and couldn't stick, but I get it. Arguing jimmer is on the level of Mitchell or Lillard is just stupid. Both of those guys were immediate impact guys. One is a superstar and the other is on his way there.dyedblue wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:57 pmJimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
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Nah. He was the best player in a playoff series that had Westbrook and Paul George. I see your point but I disagree.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 31st, 2018, 7:49 pmNot yet. He almost certainly will be, but you got to dominate the nba for several seasons before being considered a superstar.Intermeddler wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 7:36 pmMitchell is 100% a superstar this very second in my mind. Guys who do what he did in the playoffs are superstars.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 4:54 pmThat is what is so funny. If a byu fan wants to argue that jimmer belongs in the nba, ok. I'll disagree with him because he got numerous chances and couldn't stick, but I get it. Arguing jimmer is on the level of Mitchell or Lillard is just stupid. Both of those guys were immediate impact guys. One is a superstar and the other is on his way there.dyedblue wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:57 pmJimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
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Yep agree to disagree. To me there are only a handful of superstars in the nba and you have to have a level of sustained excellence to be included. I absolutely agree he will be there, but got to do it for a few years.Intermeddler wrote: ↑August 1st, 2018, 1:58 amNah. He was the best player in a playoff series that had Westbrook and Paul George. I see your point but I disagree.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 31st, 2018, 7:49 pmNot yet. He almost certainly will be, but you got to dominate the nba for several seasons before being considered a superstar.Intermeddler wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 7:36 pmMitchell is 100% a superstar this very second in my mind. Guys who do what he did in the playoffs are superstars.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 4:54 pmThat is what is so funny. If a byu fan wants to argue that jimmer belongs in the nba, ok. I'll disagree with him because he got numerous chances and couldn't stick, but I get it. Arguing jimmer is on the level of Mitchell or Lillard is just stupid. Both of those guys were immediate impact guys. One is a superstar and the other is on his way there.dyedblue wrote: ↑July 29th, 2018, 3:57 pmJimmer got a legitimate shot and couldn't stick. Guys like Mitchell and LilIard are light years beyond Jimmer. They are not claiming Jimmer belongs on an NBA roster, they are claiming he would be a star if only given the chance.
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On top of being really cringy, it is disrespectful to your teammates to call your team that even if you are the star.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 30th, 2018, 4:29 pmWhat kind of narcissist name is "Team Fredette?" And is that girl-french for the name Fred?
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"star" and "superstar" are 50% popularity and 50% ability. If it weren't so, you wouldn't get players in all-star games who don't deserve to be there (not good enough yet, or not good enough anymore).
I think Mitchell may already be a superstar in popularity. He might even make the all-star team this year - even in the West where he's competing with some guards who will have better stats. I've been blown away with the international interest in Mitchell.
I think Mitchell may already be a superstar in popularity. He might even make the all-star team this year - even in the West where he's competing with some guards who will have better stats. I've been blown away with the international interest in Mitchell.
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Re: Byu fans are delusional
Here are Jimmer's numbers thus far in this tournament:
In the Chinese league he has the following:
FG% = .450
3FG% = .413
FT% = .952
Those are good numbers. However, in his various stints in the NBA against NBA-level defenders he had the following numbers:
FG% = .412
3FG% = .381
FT% = .876
Those numbers are pedestrian in the league, and when you combined his atrocious defense and tendency to play me, me, me ball on offense it just didn't make sense to keep him on an NBA squad.
Jimmer is a good player and a good shooter. He's not as good of a shooter as Jaycee Carroll was and is, nor as good of a player. Neither of them play great defense. Neither made it in the NBA. Of the two, I would think Jaycee would be the better fit for the NBA at this point in their careers, but he's making millions over in Europe and winning multiple championships per year on the best team in the best league in the world outside of the NBA. I think he's pretty content. And there is no guarantee he'd see any substantial playing time if he did try to get back to the NBA.
In the Chinese league he has the following:
FG% = .450
3FG% = .413
FT% = .952
Those are good numbers. However, in his various stints in the NBA against NBA-level defenders he had the following numbers:
FG% = .412
3FG% = .381
FT% = .876
Those numbers are pedestrian in the league, and when you combined his atrocious defense and tendency to play me, me, me ball on offense it just didn't make sense to keep him on an NBA squad.
Jimmer is a good player and a good shooter. He's not as good of a shooter as Jaycee Carroll was and is, nor as good of a player. Neither of them play great defense. Neither made it in the NBA. Of the two, I would think Jaycee would be the better fit for the NBA at this point in their careers, but he's making millions over in Europe and winning multiple championships per year on the best team in the best league in the world outside of the NBA. I think he's pretty content. And there is no guarantee he'd see any substantial playing time if he did try to get back to the NBA.
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One thing to take into account, the China League is many, many steps below the Euro League and the Spanish ACB League that Jaycee plays in — let alone the NBA. Jaycee's team (Real Madrid) won both championships this year.treesap32 wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2018, 1:49 pmHere are Jimmer's numbers thus far in this tournament:
In the Chinese league he has the following:
FG% = .450
3FG% = .413
FT% = .952
Those are good numbers. However, in his various stints in the NBA against NBA-level defenders he had the following numbers:
FG% = .412
3FG% = .381
FT% = .876
Those numbers are pedestrian in the league, and when you combined his atrocious defense and tendency to play me, me, me ball on offense it just didn't make sense to keep him on an NBA squad.
Jimmer is a good player and a good shooter. He's not as good of a shooter as Jaycee Carroll was and is, nor as good of a player. Neither of them play great defense. Neither made it in the NBA. Of the two, I would think Jaycee would be the better fit for the NBA at this point in their careers, but he's making millions over in Europe and winning multiple championships per year on the best team in the best league in the world outside of the NBA. I think he's pretty content. And there is no guarantee he'd see any substantial playing time if he did try to get back to the NBA.
The notion that Jimmer could translate his scoring in China to an NBA franchise has already been dispelled not one, two, three, or four times but rather at least five times. At this point Jimmer-mania is only for laughs. But they are very big laughs.
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Bummer... ha not fixing that autocorrect
He can absolutely still play in the NBA. But he would not get very many minutes.
But this is dumb to criticize BYU fans for...
If USU had a team with Jaycee, Quayle, Tai, Pooh, Newbold, Bendall, Jalen Moore, Nate Harris, Gary Wilkinson, Brady Jardine, Medlin and Kyisean every single one of us would be glued to the TBT non stop../
Also that might make a good team
He can absolutely still play in the NBA. But he would not get very many minutes.
But this is dumb to criticize BYU fans for...
If USU had a team with Jaycee, Quayle, Tai, Pooh, Newbold, Bendall, Jalen Moore, Nate Harris, Gary Wilkinson, Brady Jardine, Medlin and Kyisean every single one of us would be glued to the TBT non stop../
Also that might make a good team
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Yeah he is on his way to being great. I haven't been this excited being a Jazz fan since the 90's. I never truly bought into Dwill and Booze, Hayward, etc. . ., but I completely buy into Mitchell.brownjeans wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2018, 8:22 am"star" and "superstar" are 50% popularity and 50% ability. If it weren't so, you wouldn't get players in all-star games who don't deserve to be there (not good enough yet, or not good enough anymore).
I think Mitchell may already be a superstar in popularity. He might even make the all-star team this year - even in the West where he's competing with some guards who will have better stats. I've been blown away with the international interest in Mitchell.
However, he isn't there yet. I wouldn't have considered Durant or Lebron "superstars" after their rookie season either. You got to dominate the league for several years to be a superstar.