Looks like the smiths officially submitted a proposal for NHL expansion. Wanting to start as soon as next season using the Delta Center until they can build a new area "designed for both professional and Olympic hockey".

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2024 ... ley-smith/

I for one am all for it. I think there is a large untapped hockey market in Utah that would love a team. By the sound of it they would build the new hockey arena thus keeping the Jazz downtown.

That would be awesome! Now we need the USU club team to be officially sponsored. Don’t @ me shoresy

As long as they keep the Jazz downtown I am good with it. Also, the Delta Center sucks for hockey if anyone remembers going to a Golden Eagles game there back in the day (can't see the entire ice from the upper bowl in many areas, but the sight lines are perfect for basketball

GeoAg wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:36 am

As long as they keep the Jazz downtown I am good with it. Also, the Delta Center sucks for hockey if anyone remembers going to a Golden Eagles game there back in the day (can't see the entire ice from the upper bowl in many areas, but the sight lines are perfect for basketball

This.

A hockey team would be fun, but I'd honestly rather not have one than see the Jazz move to a mixed-used arena in Draper. The Jazz belong downtown.

(Frankly, a new hockey arena should be built in the Power District just west of Downtown where the Millers are hoping to put a baseball stadium. There's more than enough room for both, but Smith is hell-bent on putting something on the old prison site.)

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:46 am

GeoAg wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:36 am

As long as they keep the Jazz downtown I am good with it. Also, the Delta Center sucks for hockey if anyone remembers going to a Golden Eagles game there back in the day (can't see the entire ice from the upper bowl in many areas, but the sight lines are perfect for basketball

This.

A hockey team would be fun, but I'd honestly rather not have one than see the Jazz move to a mixed-used arena in Draper. The Jazz belong downtown.

(Frankly, a new hockey arena should be built in the Power District just west of Downtown where the Millers are hoping to put a baseball stadium. There's more than enough room for both, but Smith is hell-bent on putting something on the old prison site.)

Smith is a fraud, and is not working with the Millers, so I doubt he puts the arena in the power district. He wants his own thing. He has always been a massive control freak when. It comes to business. This will be no different. He wants all the control and doesn’t want to share with the millers. Which is why he’s not really a public face of the MLB bid.

Can't they just expand the Maverick Center? Also, since the Miller Family seems hell bent on moving the ball park to their pet project (that they bought from Kennecott) Daybreak, I'd look at the current Bee's site for the new arena. Having spent a few days in SLC earlier this month, I've gained a new appreciation for DT-SLC. I always hear how bad the Ball Park district is, I guess I'm just an optimist and look for the good before I see the bad. Keep it urban, don't build this thing in Herriman.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 12:35 pm

So Utah will potentially have 4 pro teams, Hockey and Basketball, that pretty much run concurrently and Soccer and Baseball that run concurrently.

To me it kind of makes sense to have the Jazz in Salt Lake, with the hockey team in the southern part of the valley, and have Baseball in Salt Lake with Real in the souther part of the valley. I almost feel that they will be competing less for attendance that way.

They also just got a lacrosse team, but that league runs differently.

As long as it’s not a publicity funded arena I could get behind hockey.
Not sure Smith can pull it off himself. He’s better at just buying stuff

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 1:38 pm

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 1:30 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 12:35 pm

So Utah will potentially have 4 pro teams, Hockey and Basketball, that pretty much run concurrently and Soccer and Baseball that run concurrently.

To me it kind of makes sense to have the Jazz in Salt Lake, with the hockey team in the southern part of the valley, and have Baseball in Salt Lake with Real in the souther part of the valley. I almost feel that they will be competing less for attendance that way.

They also just got a lacrosse team, but that league runs differently.

Okay, well if we really want to get into it we have a rugby team (which is somewhat legit) and an ultimate Frisbee team, and a women's football team. But nobody really cares.

I was not aware of this. Is it lingerie football? Asking for a friend...

While we're talking about sports teams in Salt Lake, one thing that I think would be nice is if UTA ran a shuttle that takes you from Logan to the Frontrunner station in Ogden so you can from there get to SLC. Or if the CVTD ran a shuttle to the Frontrunner station.

As it is, if we live in Cache Valley but want to go to SLC, we have to drive as far as Ogden to get on the Frontrunner. Not having to even do that would be nice.

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:39 pm

While we're talking about sports teams in Salt Lake, one thing that I think would be nice is if UTA ran a shuttle that takes you from Logan to the Frontrunner station in Ogden so you can from there get to SLC. Or if the CVTD ran a shuttle to the Frontrunner station.

As it is, if we live in Cache Valley but want to go to SLC, we have to drive as far as Ogden to get on the Frontrunner. Not having to even do that would be nice.

They just need to extend front runner to Logan

CacheCow wrote: ↑

January 25th, 2024, 1:46 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:39 pm

While we're talking about sports teams in Salt Lake, one thing that I think would be nice is if UTA ran a shuttle that takes you from Logan to the Frontrunner station in Ogden so you can from there get to SLC. Or if the CVTD ran a shuttle to the Frontrunner station.

As it is, if we live in Cache Valley but want to go to SLC, we have to drive as far as Ogden to get on the Frontrunner. Not having to even do that would be nice.

They just need to extend front runner to Logan

Bring Back the Bamberger!!

CacheCow wrote: ↑

January 25th, 2024, 1:46 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:39 pm

While we're talking about sports teams in Salt Lake, one thing that I think would be nice is if UTA ran a shuttle that takes you from Logan to the Frontrunner station in Ogden so you can from there get to SLC. Or if the CVTD ran a shuttle to the Frontrunner station.

As it is, if we live in Cache Valley but want to go to SLC, we have to drive as far as Ogden to get on the Frontrunner. Not having to even do that would be nice.

They just need to extend front runner to Logan

This would be a good idea. Having a kid at USU that gets used as the airport shuttle service to and from the SLC Airport for his buddies that live out of state, that would be a great help.

Yossarian wrote: ↑

January 25th, 2024, 2:14 pm

CacheCow wrote: ↑

January 25th, 2024, 1:46 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 10:39 pm

While we're talking about sports teams in Salt Lake, one thing that I think would be nice is if UTA ran a shuttle that takes you from Logan to the Frontrunner station in Ogden so you can from there get to SLC. Or if the CVTD ran a shuttle to the Frontrunner station.

As it is, if we live in Cache Valley but want to go to SLC, we have to drive as far as Ogden to get on the Frontrunner. Not having to even do that would be nice.

They just need to extend front runner to Logan

This would be a good idea. Having a kid at USU that gets used as the airport shuttle service to and from the SLC Airport for his buddies that live out of state, that would be a great help.

My understanding is that will probably never happen. The grade in Sardine is too steep for rail lines. They would have to run it through Valley View. And that would mean that most likely nobody would use it, because it would be much slower than driving. But I remember there was talk at one point about extending the Frontrunner to Brigham City and then having some kind of bus line connecting it to Logan. I'm not sure what ever came of those talks and if that is still a possibility.

The Frontrunner as it currently is doesn't really work for sports and I doubt they change it. It doesn't run on Sundays, it only runs hourly on Saturday and isn't reliable and it doesn't extend hours into the evening to account for games ending late. I really want to like the Frontrunner but the last few times I tried to use it I ran into so many issues that it's just not worth it.

Frontrunner, or any rail through sardine canyon is a no go, but the possibility of extending passenger rail service to Logan around through Cutler Gap and into the valley is still under consideration. Even the idea of boring a tunnel from Brigham City to Wellsville is a dark horse possibility.

The problem is the huge gap in potential riders between Logan and Brigham City. Any way you route it, there won't be anyone to get on and off between those two communities. I think gamefaqs' suggestion of an express bus link from Logan to the Ogden station is the best many of us will see before flying cars are invented.

I say drill a gigantic tunnel.

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 25th, 2024, 8:02 pm

I kind of hope that cache valley never gets connected to front runner. Keep Cache valley separated from the salt lake metro. Have fruit runner run to Brigham and call it good.

It’s such a long train ride it will never feel “connected” even if they do find a way. It takes
One two hours via train to get to North Ogden. No one would ever use it

I googled because I was curious, and apparently they still plan to extend the Frontrunner to Brigham City eventually:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50630013/as ... trunner-20

The key word is "eventually," though. The TLDR is that they are in the process of buying land to extend it north of Ogden. Anyone who has paid attention to the high speed rail debacle in California knows that this can take forever if landowners don't want to sell. They say that they are hoping to finish the extension to Brigham City by 2040. So it won't be happening any time soon.

I would rather we get an NFL team than an MLB and NHL team. And having lived in Europe I'm all in on rail, but you have to make cities more mass transit friendly as well. Otherwise you just end up in a transit desert when you get off the train at your destination city.

*Edit: Or make cities more walkable which I also would appreciate.

EngineeringAggie wrote: ↑

January 26th, 2024, 4:25 pm

AgMan21 wrote: ↑

January 26th, 2024, 11:52 am

I would rather we get an NFL team than an MLB and NHL team. And having lived in Europe I'm all in on rail, but you have to make cities more mass transit friendly as well. Otherwise you just end up in a transit desert when you get off the train at your destination city.

*Edit: Or make cities more walkable which I also would appreciate.

Everybody would rather have an NFL team, but that’s not in the cards. An NFL stadium and the price of an NFL team is probably double or triple what an NHL team is.

I'll give you our NFL team and throw in a baseball team too

I genuinely don't understand why the Maverick Center couldn't work as a temporary home for the NHL team and the Jazz while they build something on the site of the Delta Center that could accommodate hockey better. 12,600 isn't great but it's not awful temporarily. The location I feel the same way about. Not great, but not terrible for a temporary solution.

If Ryan Smith succeeds in buying the Coyotes, I hope they rebrand.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

February 9th, 2024, 11:21 am

If Ryan Smith succeeds in buying the Coyotes, I hope they rebrand.

I do too. To @tysteve20 idea of the yeti's.

GordoAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 9:08 pm

As long as it’s not a publicity funded arena I could get behind hockey.
Not sure Smith can pull it off himself. He’s better at just buying stuff

I think he's trying to piggyback off the Olympics to get an arena that he doesn't have to pay a cent for.

FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑

February 9th, 2024, 12:25 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

February 9th, 2024, 11:21 am

If Ryan Smith succeeds in buying the Coyotes, I hope they rebrand.

I do too. To @tysteve20 idea of the yeti's.

This was my daughter's team last year. Yeti, sasquatch, either way. I like it.

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 1:30 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 12:35 pm

So Utah will potentially have 4 pro teams, Hockey and Basketball, that pretty much run concurrently and Soccer and Baseball that run concurrently.

To me it kind of makes sense to have the Jazz in Salt Lake, with the hockey team in the southern part of the valley, and have Baseball in Salt Lake with Real in the souther part of the valley. I almost feel that they will be competing less for attendance that way.

They also just got a lacrosse team, but that league runs differently.

There's also a pro Ultimate Frisbee team.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

February 12th, 2024, 6:14 am

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 1:30 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑

January 24th, 2024, 12:35 pm

So Utah will potentially have 4 pro teams, Hockey and Basketball, that pretty much run concurrently and Soccer and Baseball that run concurrently.

To me it kind of makes sense to have the Jazz in Salt Lake, with the hockey team in the southern part of the valley, and have Baseball in Salt Lake with Real in the souther part of the valley. I almost feel that they will be competing less for attendance that way.

They also just got a lacrosse team, but that league runs differently.

There's also a pro Ultimate Frisbee team.

Back in our time at USU my cousin was dating a girl who left him for a “pro athlete” as she put it. He was an ultimate frisbee player.

On a side note, a pro disk golf player used to run the surplus store on campus.