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Winning Team · Post by **Winning Team** » August 30th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Not sure why Gary was aggressive early and then so conservative late.

Sanford is more to blame. Thompkins didn’t have a Target after his touchdown but Compton had two.

Nothing vertical to Scarver. Tons of runs on 2nd and long. Our offense stayed ahead of the chains last year and We didn’t tonight. How many 3 and outs tonight? 5 I think.

I didn’t know that Gary was the one making the throws and choosing who to throw too.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » August 30th, 2019, 10:54 pm

Love struggled some tonight. He should have had at least one more INT. He only threw 6 INT all last year. He threw 3 tonight.

pilotaggie · Post by **pilotaggie** » August 30th, 2019, 11:03 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:Any other coach, we win.

Stupid (I can't express myself without swearing) playcalling

I can safely say Brent Guy would have lost this game.

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Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 30th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Play calling was not great the last few minutes, but Love has to make better decisions. You cannot throw an interception in the end zone when your pretty much guaranteed 3 points, on your own 10 yard line and in the last 20 seconds when you are already in field position. People want to throw blame around, but if your QB is a heisman candidate you cannot make those decisions. Don't get me wrong Love overall played really well, but he cannot make those dumb decisions.

Post by **treesap32** » August 30th, 2019, 11:12 pm

Coaching and hindsight play-calling are always the scapegoats. Very disappointing loss. I wish we could've converted on any of several key plays and we win that game. Too bad. I'm not blaming this on anyone or any hindsight play-calling complaints. Sorry.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » August 30th, 2019, 11:13 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:07 pm
Play calling was not great the last few minutes, but Love has to make better decisions. You cannot throw an interception in the end zone when your pretty much guaranteed 3 points, on your own 10 yard line and in the last 20 seconds when you are already in field position. People want to throw blame around, but if your QB is a heisman candidate you cannot make those decisions. Don't get me wrong Love overall played really well, but he cannot make those dumb decisions.

Good point. 2/3 throws were not pressure throws either. He was staring down his target on the first two INTs.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:12 pm
Coaching and hindsight play-calling are always the scapegoats. Very disappointing loss. I wish we could've converted on any of several key plays and we win that game. Too bad. I'm not blaming this on anyone or any hindsight play-calling complaints. Sorry.
[Playcalling is always the scapegoat. At the end of the day we got to make a few more plays. I like this team and we are really young. I expect us to get better.]

bigblue · Post by **bigblue** » August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm

There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » August 30th, 2019, 11:22 pm

bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.

bigblue · Post by **bigblue** » August 30th, 2019, 11:31 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.

Yes that's true, but I'm not doubting the work ethic on this team yet. Long flight back to reflect.

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hickaggie · Post by **hickaggie** » August 30th, 2019, 11:34 pm

I agree Gary should have put it in Loves hands but he did have the picks.

Ultimately players do make plays and every time Wake was on the ropes they stepped up and beat the Aggies to the ball. Simple as that. How many gut check playss did they make? The picks Beating our dbs in a jump ball, extra yards. They definitely were bailed out by stupid penalties that went one way but damn did they find a way. Kudos to a mentally tougher team than the Aggies.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » August 30th, 2019, 11:37 pm

bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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Which is a change from last year. Particularly I'm thinking of how the pick he threw in the Boise game just wrecked his confidence.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » August 30th, 2019, 11:38 pm

hickaggie wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:34 pm
I agree Gary should have put it in Loves hands but he did have the picks.

Ultimately players do make plays and every time Wake was on the ropes they stepped up and beat the Aggies to the ball. Simple as that. How many gut check playss did they make? The picks Beating our dbs in a jump ball, extra yards. They definitely were bailed out by stupid penalties that went one way but damn did they find a way. Kudos to a mentally tougher team than the Aggies.

No question. We had a million chances to win that game and just Aggie’d it away. Credit to Wake. They did not make mistakes, just solid.

Mentally tougher team, more disciplined, better coached. It felt like we were playing the P5 version of a service academy.

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » August 30th, 2019, 11:41 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:22 pm

bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.

I agree LSU is better but I don't know that I buy your takes on the other teams at this point, we'll know more after their games tomorrow. I still see us at 8-4 Or 7-5. There are a lot of positives from the game tonight. But there is also some things that need to get cleaned up. But I really loved the fight in this team, they battled until the very end.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » August 30th, 2019, 11:42 pm

Winning Team wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Not sure why Gary was aggressive early and then so conservative late.

Sanford is more to blame. Thompkins didn’t have a Target after his touchdown but Compton had two.

Nothing vertical to Scarver. Tons of runs on 2nd and long. Our offense stayed ahead of the chains last year and We didn’t tonight. How many 3 and outs tonight? 5 I think.
I didn’t know that Gary was the one making the throws and choosing who to throw too.

I didn’t know that I said he was. But he is the one that dictates philosophy and makes 4th down decisions, which is what I’m blaming him for.

AGNUMPI · Post by **AGNUMPI** » August 30th, 2019, 11:44 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:42 pm

Winning Team wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Not sure why Gary was aggressive early and then so conservative late.

Sanford is more to blame. Thompkins didn’t have a Target after his touchdown but Compton had two.

Nothing vertical to Scarver. Tons of runs on 2nd and long. Our offense stayed ahead of the chains last year and We didn’t tonight. How many 3 and outs tonight? 5 I think.
I didn’t know that Gary was the one making the throws and choosing who to throw too.
I didn’t know that I said he was. But he is the one that dictates philosophy and makes 4th down decisions, which is what I’m blaming him for.

What's all this blame crap about?!

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » August 30th, 2019, 11:45 pm

AGNUMPI wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:44 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:42 pm

Winning Team wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Not sure why Gary was aggressive early and then so conservative late.

Sanford is more to blame. Thompkins didn’t have a Target after his touchdown but Compton had two.

Nothing vertical to Scarver. Tons of runs on 2nd and long. Our offense stayed ahead of the chains last year and We didn’t tonight. How many 3 and outs tonight? 5 I think.
I didn’t know that Gary was the one making the throws and choosing who to throw too.
I didn’t know that I said he was. But he is the one that dictates philosophy and makes 4th down decisions, which is what I’m blaming him for.
What's all this blame crap about?!

It’s about the game we all just watched.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » August 30th, 2019, 11:46 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:Was it windy? I remember the kickoffs needing to be held in the place. Makes me wonder if that's why we didn't test them deep at all.

Zero wind in the stadium

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troutputz · Post by **troutputz** » August 31st, 2019, 1:00 am

Over the years that coach Andersen has been coaching the Aggies I see him using similar plays that Kyle uses at Utah. The run up the middle is a good example. The problem is, Utah gets away with doing up the middle and running out the clock is that they have a lot better athlete than we do. Utah would have won this game against Wake. Some of our play calling reminded me of going to a WAKE! From what I listened to, we appear to have WR's that will be just fine. Now, let's trust them coaches! When we were up 35 to 31 with 2:30 left I told my wife we will lose, this has Aggie losing a close one written all over it. I would bet that 90% of you fellow Ags and posters felt the same way! 65 years for me in a couple of weeks hasn't changed our losing in the last minute in my lifetime against so called better conference competition ! It is a rerun that we are getting tired of seeing. Come on coaches, pull your heads out and coach with some risks, instead of y the book. Yost figured it out. It will be interesting to see how his system goes at Lubbock buttocks to the world? With my family von Grant genes, I only have about 14 years left to see us beat a P5 team on the road. Last year I told my son that lives in CV and an alum, I am not sure about hiring Gary back. My son asked why, and I just said Gary clams up in close games and does not appear very confident in a close game! In Wisconsin he was given a ready made team. Oregon State he wasn't! It was a fiasco in Corvallis really! He's a great motivator, and cares deeply, but X's and O's, he better have really good coaches around him! Gary, please don't morf into Chuck Shelton and run up the middle because your afraid!
Damnit we had this game!

SLB · Post by **SLB** » August 31st, 2019, 1:11 am

I was not upset about the play calling.
Running the ball was right. The running backs Warren and Bright on 28 carries had 178 rushing yards. This is 6.357 yards per carry. I trust the whole offense. The refs did take yards away from Warren which hurt us.

QuackAttackAggie · Post by **QuackAttackAggie** » August 31st, 2019, 1:28 am

If the line could have gotten a push of 3 yards on two plays we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Olderthandirt · Post by **Olderthandirt** » August 31st, 2019, 2:20 am

MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 9:51 pm
Yeah 3rd and 4 I'm running a play action, we played not to lose and it bit us in the butt for the millionth time

Agreed. We need to throw more on first down too.

oleblu111 · Post by **oleblu111** » August 31st, 2019, 8:42 am

blueaggie wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:32 pm
Was this an acc officiating crew?

Yes we do not have MWC officials in North Carolina. However they are not the reason we lost. but it is nearly impossible to go a entire game without a holding call. Without that targeting call towards the end they would not have one penalty.

oleblu111 · Post by **oleblu111** » August 31st, 2019, 8:45 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:32 pm

oleblu111 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:30 pm
I will not argue about poor play calling but this is lost because the aggie front seven got kicked to the curb, except for Woody.

The D' B's can not tackle anything.

I thought the O line played much better than what the D.line did.

Not one holding call or penalty on Wake until one of the worst targeting hits I have ever seen.
Wildman played well.

I'm a little reluctant to single him out because I know him quite well so I'm kinda prejudice

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » August 31st, 2019, 8:59 am

oleblu111 wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 8:45 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:32 pm

oleblu111 wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 10:30 pm
I will not argue about poor play calling but this is lost because the aggie front seven got kicked to the curb, except for Woody.

The D' B's can not tackle anything.

I thought the O line played much better than what the D.line did.

Not one holding call or penalty on Wake until one of the worst targeting hits I have ever seen.
Wildman played well.
I'm a little reluctant to single him out because I know him quite well so I'm kinda prejudice

Dennis?

Jjoey53 · Post by **Jjoey53** » August 31st, 2019, 10:13 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.

Anything less than 8-4 is a failure with this talent and an indication maybe the right coaching hire was made.

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SpectrumMagic · Post by **SpectrumMagic** » August 31st, 2019, 10:27 am

WF capitalized on our mistakes. We didn’t capitalize on theirs. We didn’t increase lead when we had ball. They took advantage of momentum we didn’t.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » August 31st, 2019, 10:31 am

SpectrumMagic wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 10:27 am
WF capitalized on our mistakes. We didn’t capitalize on theirs. We didn’t increase lead when we had ball. They took advantage of momentum we didn’t.

[This is absolutely correct. We had plenty of chances in the first QTR to extend the lead to double digits and play from ahead. Also had 3 chances in the 4th QTR with the ball and the lead to ice the game, but we could not do it]

aceofspadeskb · Post by **aceofspadeskb** » August 31st, 2019, 11:11 am

We gave up 38 points. That is where we lost.

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Tetonkatest · Post by **Tetonkatest** » August 31st, 2019, 11:33 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:22 pm

bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.

The schedule is a lot more challenging this year.

Tetonkatest · Post by **Tetonkatest** » August 31st, 2019, 11:34 am

aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 11:11 am
We gave up 38 points. That is where we lost.

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We are short on talent in the secondary.

Thanks Wells!!

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » August 31st, 2019, 12:21 pm

Tetonkatest wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 11:34 am

aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 11:11 am
We gave up 38 points. That is where we lost.

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We are short on talent in the secondary.

Thanks Wells!!

Haha. Nice.

dyedblue · Post by **dyedblue** » August 31st, 2019, 1:03 pm

Tetonkatest wrote:
aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 11:11 am
We gave up 38 points. That is where we lost.

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We are short on talent in the secondary.

Thanks Wells!!

There was time to bring help in at that position. We have 50+ new players

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JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » August 31st, 2019, 1:13 pm

Jjoey53 wrote: ↑
August 31st, 2019, 10:13 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
bigblue wrote: ↑
August 30th, 2019, 11:14 pm
There's blame on players and coaches. One thing I noticed is even with the interceptions it didn't seem to throw Love off his game too much. He will learn from this game. There were a bunch of positives from the game that will have me excited for the rest of the season.

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The thing that keeps me from getting too excited is that we still have to play at least two teams that are better than Wake (LSU and BSU), and another two that might be (Fresno, SDSU).

Looking like a 6-6 or 7-5 season.
Anything less than 8-4 is a failure with this talent and an indication maybe the right coaching hire was made.

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This is seriously one of the most ridiculous takes that I've seen on this board, and extremely uninformed.

El Sapo · Post by **El Sapo** » August 31st, 2019, 5:33 pm

One play decided the game. 3rd and 4 yards with 2:30 to go. Here were the choices on that play

1. Give Love a chance to win the game. Offense had already scored 35 points so the offense wasn't struggling. Try to convert a 3rd and 4 for a first down that would have won the game by passing the ball.

2. Run the ball and use up WF timeouts. Give the defense who had given up 31 points, but made a couple of nice stops late in the game a chance to win the game. WF gets the ball on their own 10 with 150 seconds left and no time outs. They need a TD to win.

I thought Love was the best player on the field. So, taking him out of the offense was a mistake.

Failing to make any adjustment on defense after we gave them the ball was inexcusable. We should have had 7 DB's on the field. all their receivers doubled up.

So yes, this is on Gary. Just like we didn't have an onside kick defense v Auburn, Gary didn't appear to have a prevent defense ready for this game.

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