The schools that got the overpayment should obviously be the ones who repay it.

CKS007 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 2:29 pm

What is the possibility of the Moutain West bringing in the four remaining PAC schools and grabbing some western AAC schools? SMU, Rice, Memphis, Navy/WSU? Could that create some TV interest and money?

I like this

Come on Utah, skedaddle! Get out of our way!

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:38 pm

CKS007 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 2:29 pm

What is the possibility of the Moutain West bringing in the four remaining PAC schools and grabbing some western AAC schools? SMU, Rice, Memphis, Navy/WSU? Could that create some TV interest and money?

I like this

I don't. Keep it regional. You expand for two reasons: Money or survival. Those teams aren't going to add money and we may be safer as a conference right now than we have been in a long time.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 3:57 pm

I don't expect you apply until you know the application will be approved.

They have been asking them for months to come so this is happening.

Who knows if either plays USU again, but one OOC game will be gone from both schedules.

It is done…

SLB wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:00 pm

All for not. This happened just as most speculated it would after USC/UCLA left.

Lawyers will get involved with the MW/PAC merger or whatever occurs.

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:04 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:00 pm

All for not. This happened just as most speculated it would after USC/UCLA left.

Lawyers will get involved with the MW/PAC merger or whatever occurs.

This is only thing that makes sense between the 2 conferences.

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:30 pm

The new PAC16 (PAC & MWC merger)
Northern Division
WSU, OSU, BSU, NEV, WYO, CSU, AFA, USU

Southern Division
FSU, SJSU, CAL, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, HAW, SMU - Invite SMU (IF CAL doesn't come invite UT San Antonio, TX market)

Add Gonzaga for Olympic sports if Stanford is out (Hawaii football only)
Stanford - Goes independent

This

GeoAg wrote:

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:38 pm

CKS007 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 2:29 pm

What is the possibility of the Moutain West bringing in the four remaining PAC schools and grabbing some western AAC schools? SMU, Rice, Memphis, Navy/WSU? Could that create some TV interest and money?

I like this

I don't. Keep it regional. You expand for two reasons: Money or survival. Those teams aren't going to add money and we may be safer as a conference right now than we have been in a long time.

It would be being pro-active for survival down the road.


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DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:11 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:30 pm

The new PAC16 (PAC & MWC merger)
Northern Division
WSU, OSU, BSU, NEV, WYO, CSU, AFA, USU

Southern Division
FSU, SJSU, CAL, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, HAW, SMU - Invite SMU (IF CAL doesn't come invite UT San Antonio, TX market)

Add Gonzaga for Olympic sports if Stanford is out (Hawaii football only)
Stanford - Goes independent

This

I’d rather have Memphis over Utsa. Just my opinion.

If Gonzaga isn’t interested add Wichita st

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:47 pm

Who knows if either plays USU again, but one OOC game will be gone from both schedules.

That hole in the 2024 schedule might get filled. Utah has Baylor and BYU scheduled in Salt Lake for OOC. That’s three teams that are now looking for a 2024 OOC game they could play as an away game. Get Bovee on the phone.

Can you imagine the gall of Cal being in the same conference/division as three Cal State Schools…especially SJSU.

cval wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:20 pm

Can you imagine the gall of Cal being in the same conference/division as three Cal State Schools…especially SJSU.

Yes, the bay area took this shot the hardest, no doubt about that.

B1G - 18
SEC - 16
BIG12 - 16
ACC -15 (with ND)
PAC16 - 16 (MWC & PAC should merge and invite until at 16 members, then enact a $50 mil buyout clause)

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:23 pm

B1G - 18
SEC - 16
BIG12 - 16
ACC -15 (with ND)
PAC16 - 16 (MWC & PAC should merge and invite until at 16 members, then enact a $50 mil buyout clause)

It only works if there is TV money. That is why the WAC-16 failed.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:39 pm

Come on Utah, skedaddle! Get out of our way!

If they keep messing around they may end up with us.
The Melts would be Legendary.

Machismo wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:29 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:39 pm

Come on Utah, skedaddle! Get out of our way!

If they keep messing around they may end up with us.

They are out and on their way. All is well.

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:23 pm

B1G - 18
SEC - 16
BIG12 - 16
ACC -15 (with ND)
PAC16 - 16 (MWC & PAC should merge and invite until at 16 members, then enact a $50 mil buyout clause)

It only works if there is TV money. That is why the WAC-16 failed.

There is money. Apple TV deal was there for the PAC 12. We are still under contract, and PAC 12 still has contracts with serious money. A PAC-MWC merger would make sense.

SLB wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:31 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:23 pm

B1G - 18
SEC - 16
BIG12 - 16
ACC -15 (with ND)
PAC16 - 16 (MWC & PAC should merge and invite until at 16 members, then enact a $50 mil buyout clause)

It only works if there is TV money. That is why the WAC-16 failed.

There is money. Apple TV deal was there for the PAC 12. We are still under contract, and PAC 12 still has contracts with serious money. A PAC-MWC merger would make sense.

Do we want to have to buy another ap to watch sports on TV? Okay fine.

Something to think about if we can get the MWC-PAC merger to happened is getting decent bowl games for a change.

slcagg wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:15 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:11 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:30 pm

The new PAC16 (PAC & MWC merger)
Northern Division
WSU, OSU, BSU, NEV, WYO, CSU, AFA, USU

Southern Division
FSU, SJSU, CAL, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, HAW, SMU - Invite SMU (IF CAL doesn't come invite UT San Antonio, TX market)

Add Gonzaga for Olympic sports if Stanford is out (Hawaii football only)
Stanford - Goes football independent

This

I’d rather have Memphis over Utsa. Just my opinion.

If Gonzaga isn’t interested add Wichita st

The Texas market would be better for TV and recruiting as well as weaken the AAC.
Greater Dallas TV market - 7 mil (SMU)
Greater San Antonio TV market - 2.5 mil (UTSA)
vs.
Greater Memphis TV market - 1.3 mil (UM)
Greater Texas El Paso TV market - 1.1 mil (UTEP)

(For comparison the Greater Utah TV market - 1.6 mil)

PAC-MWC-Gonzaga merger would make us a power conference.

SLB wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:52 pm

PAC-MWC-Gonzaga merger would make us a power conference.

That'd be amazing. We'd probably one of the best basketball conferences in the US as well.

My guess for new PAC 12

PAC 12:

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Memphis
SMU
SDSU
CSU
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV
New Mexico

I hope I’m wrong

SLB wrote:

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:23 pm

B1G - 18
SEC - 16
BIG12 - 16
ACC -15 (with ND)
PAC16 - 16 (MWC & PAC should merge and invite until at 16 members, then enact a $50 mil buyout clause)

It only works if there is TV money. That is why the WAC-16 failed.

There is money. Apple TV deal was there for the PAC 12. We are still under contract, and PAC 12 still has contracts with serious money. A PAC-MWC merger would make sense.

The Apple TV deal was weak before all of the deflections. It would be a way worse deal now.

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ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:01 pm

My guess for new PAC 12

PAC 12:

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Memphis
SMU
SDSU
CSU
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV
New Mexico

I hope I’m wrong

that would be $192 million dollars in MWC buyouts.

I think HAIR probably saved the conference from being ripped apart, I guess will see over the next weeks to come.

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:01 pm

My guess for new PAC 12

PAC 12:

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Memphis
SMU
SDSU
CSU
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV
New Mexico

I hope I’m wrong

I am virtually certain you are wrong. As I understand it, to receive an NCAA autobid, a conference has to have at least six schools that have played together for eight years. (Or something like that. I forgot the exact numbers.) The PAC-12 is below that threshold now (assuming the Four Corners schools are gone), so they can't invite more members without losing their autobid for X number of years. When you combine exit fees and lost NCAA tournament credits, I don't think the numbers add up. The leftover schools would have to reorganize under the MWC to keep their autobid, and the MWC won't be kicking anyone out.

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:41 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:15 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 5:11 pm

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:30 pm

The new PAC16 (PAC & MWC merger)
Northern Division
WSU, OSU, BSU, NEV, WYO, CSU, AFA, USU

Southern Division
FSU, SJSU, CAL, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, HAW, SMU - Invite SMU (IF CAL doesn't come invite UT San Antonio, TX market)

Add Gonzaga for Olympic sports if Stanford is out (Hawaii football only)
Stanford - Goes football independent

This

I’d rather have Memphis over Utsa. Just my opinion.

If Gonzaga isn’t interested add Wichita st

The Texas market would be better for TV and recruiting as well as weaken the AAC.
Greater Dallas TV market - 7 mil (SMU)
Greater San Antonio TV market - 2.5 mil (UTSA)
vs.
Greater Memphis TV market - 1.3 mil (UM)
Greater Texas El Paso TV market - 1.1 mil (UTEP)

(For comparison the Greater Utah TV market - 1.6 mil)

That’s fine. You are right it matters….when people in that market care.

Better go tell big 10 about the Bay Area market vs the Portland market. Maybe they will add cal rather than Oregon.

Wonder what the MW tv clauses include. Would we be able to renegotiate? We could probably get some apple money too, since they want to be in the game, but hopefully second tier to ESPN or whatever.

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:11 pm

Wonder what the MW tv clauses include. Would we be able to renegotiate? We could probably get some apple money too, since they want to be in the game, but hopefully second tier to ESPN or whatever.

I would rather avoid apple TV all together.

FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:12 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:11 pm

Wonder what the MW tv clauses include. Would we be able to renegotiate? We could probably get some apple money too, since they want to be in the game, but hopefully second tier to ESPN or whatever.

I would rather avoid apple TV all together.

Agreed, but more money is better

GeoAg wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:41 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 4:38 pm

CKS007 wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 2:29 pm

What is the possibility of the Moutain West bringing in the four remaining PAC schools and grabbing some western AAC schools? SMU, Rice, Memphis, Navy/WSU? Could that create some TV interest and money?

I like this

I don't. Keep it regional. You expand for two reasons: Money or survival. Those teams aren't going to add money and we may be safer as a conference right now than we have been in a long time.

You don’t think adding the Dallas and Memphis/NOLA market doesn’t help the TV revenue?

DixieAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

August 4th, 2023, 6:01 pm

My guess for new PAC 12

PAC 12:

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Memphis
SMU
SDSU
CSU
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV
New Mexico

I hope I’m wrong

that would be $192 million dollars in MWC buyouts.

I think HAIR probably saved the conference from being ripped apart, I guess will see over the next weeks to come.

I hope you are right. How many votes are needed to remove exit fees? Is this number different than votes required to dissolve conference?