Transfer portal is ruining college sports


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ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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Aggie4L1fe wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:38 pm

Transfer portal is ruining college sports


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Agreed.

Although it drives interest

Guys I read about Hunter Dickinson getting $1.2M at Kansas, current transfer AJ Storr demanding $1M in NIL, Kansas only offering $750k so he turns it down, and other numbers I realize Great is going to be offers probably close to $500k. I have to think he's 100% gone.

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

slcagg wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

Aggie4L1fe wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:38 pm

Transfer portal is ruining college sports


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Agreed.

Although it drives interest

While I also agree with this, it’s not like we weren’t massive beneficiaries of the portal with this exact player just 12 months ago. I don’t blame Ashworth or Osobor for even 1 second if they are getting 6 figure offers to play basketball as 21 year olds still in college.

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pm

Ian was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.


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Any insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?

Aggie4L1fe wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:38 pm

Transfer portal is ruining college sports


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It's not the transfer portal. Before the creation of the transfer portal, it was VERY difficult for a player to transfer. There was not rhyme or reason to it. The player had to do all the calling around just to try and find a coach and a program that had room for him. The INITIAL reason for creation was very pure, it was to allow coaches the ability to see who was available. It took out all the guesswork and streamlined what used to be a very difficult process.

What has ruined college sports is NIL and the ability to freely transfer as many times as a player wishes. THAT is the issue.

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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I think their ways around it. Zach Edey is from Canada and people made it sound like their collective was transferring money into someone's account to work around the issue.

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pm

Ian was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.


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Any insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?

Closer to home might be difficult for Ian.

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

A kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.

This is all business. That’s all it is. We weren’t mad at Great for leaving Montana State or Ian for leaving Maryland. Each kid is a business.


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aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pm

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

A kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.

I guess if you are ok with fraud and risk being deported and blacklisted. It's all good..

ryguy417 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:32 pm

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

true

Hoot wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:44 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pm

Ian was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.


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Any insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?

Closer to home might be difficult for Ian.

I'm talking about the fact that his family lives in northern Virginia where his dad is a basketball trainer. Not really all that difficult.

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pm

This is all business. That’s all it is. We weren’t mad at Great for leaving Montana State or Ian for leaving Maryland. Each kid is a business.


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And it's a terrible way to run a business. If you hop jobs every year or the employer has to replace all the employees every year it will eventually go out of business. Right now it's tied to people's irrational love of their University, when in reality it's just unregulated minor leagues with diminishing returns.

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:47 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pm

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

A kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.

I guess if you are ok with fraud and risk being deported and blacklisted. It's all good..

I agree, it's NOT all good. But before NIL, this was how this all went down at P5 schools for DECADES.

Roy McAvoy wrote:

Hoot wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:44 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:18 pm

Ian was always a going. Even if Sprinkle had stayed.


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Any insight you can share at all as to why? Like closer to home, NIL, didn't love Logan, etc?

Closer to home might be difficult for Ian.

I'm talking about the fact that his family lives in northern Virginia where his dad is a basketball trainer. Not really all that difficult.

We got him kind of last minute last year with NIL cash. It was always going to be a year to year thing with him as it will with most kids going forward.


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aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:52 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:47 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pm

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

A kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.

I guess if you are ok with fraud and risk being deported and blacklisted. It's all good..

I agree, it's NOT all good. But before NIL, this was how this all went down at P5 schools for DECADES.

And this is not on the players, they should use this to their advantage while it is available.

Calhoun needs to get his staff hired and put to work. I don't like the idea of waiting until next week or longer to hire the rest of his assistants.

Remember guys, it takes 48 hours for a player's name to appear in the portal. These two put their paperwork in on Monday.

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:54 pm

Calhoun needs to get his staff hired and put to work. I don't like the idea of waiting until next week or longer to hire the rest of his assistants.

Well now that Great is leaving I don't expect Chris Haslam to be retained.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:54 pm

Remember guys, it takes 48 hours for a player's name to appear in the portal. These two put their paperwork in on Monday.

We going to get more over the coming days?

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:55 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:54 pm

Calhoun needs to get his staff hired and put to work. I don't like the idea of waiting until next week or longer to hire the rest of his assistants.

Well now that Great is leaving I don't expect Chris Haslam to be retained.

I don't believe this decision has been made yet, I also think that retaining Haslam would have helped potentially keep Great, but, was not a guarantee in any way.

We'll be seeing Uduje soon enough. And if Haslam was staying it would've been made official by now.

aggies22 wrote:

Aggie4L1fe wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:38 pm

Transfer portal is ruining college sports


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It's not the transfer portal. Before the creation of the transfer portal, it was VERY difficult for a player to transfer. There was not rhyme or reason to it. The player had to do all the calling around just to try and find a coach and a program that had room for him. The INITIAL reason for creation was very pure, it was to allow coaches the ability to see who was available. It took out all the guesswork and streamlined what used to be a very difficult process.

What has ruined college sports is NIL and the ability to freely transfer as many times as a player wishes. THAT is the issue.

Ya that is very true


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aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:52 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:47 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:45 pm

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:42 pm

TrueAG wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:40 pm

scotlandog wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:39 pm

ryguy417 wrote:

brian5562 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:26 pm

It stings a little less knowing that Coach met with each player and that NIL was discussed with each of them.

Or worse, Coach met and we don’t have the bag to even consider staying. Hopefully not, but a big man like Osobor will demand $300-500k likely.

Have we ever figured out the whole “Are foreign players eligible for NIL” issue? If they have a school visa they can’t make money and NIL under current laws counts. Does Great have a work visa?


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That was my question? A student and work visa are very different.

There are ways. Players were getting paid before NIL. They just do it the old school way.

A kid walks into his dorm room and there is a sack of dough waiting for him on his bed.

I guess if you are ok with fraud and risk being deported and blacklisted. It's all good..

I agree, it's NOT all good. But before NIL, this was how this all went down at P5 schools for DECADES.

Yeah I know but in some ways this may be more risky. It's out in the open, people will know about it. Do these kids have proper guidance on taxes, proper visas, contract expectations etc.

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:57 pm

We'll be seeing Uduje soon enough. And if Haslam was staying it would've been made official by now.

The portal is going to be riskier for Uduje.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:28 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:25 pm

Good for him; he should absolutely test the NBA waters. Hopefully we can keep him here at Utah State. But I'm a fan of him as a person regardless of where he ends up.

Speaking less as a fan and more on a personal level, if I knew anyone who was currently a D1 basketball player, I would recommend they hit the portal pretty much every year. It doesn't hurt to see what your options are. Sucks for fans and coaches, though.

that only works if the coaches let you come back after entering the portal, doesn't always work out they way you wanted, some former FB players found this out the hard way a few years back. Got a big head after listening to their former HS or 7 on 7 coaches (LOL) and hit the portal only to find no takers, when they came crawling back the door was already closed and locked. I get that we have a new coach and he'll likely try and keep them, but doing this on a year when there are no coaching changes might not turn out so well.

It does tend to work out much better for players like Great.

Yossarian wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:37 pm

newhouse9 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:24 pm

I wish them both well regardless of where they end up. I hope for support from USU fans for these kids. It hurts, but they're good kids and deserve the best I can give them.

Just out of curiosity, why should these athletes be given any more of a congratulations or well wishes than a regular student that decides to transfer to another school? The athletes have already had their school paid for and now get NIL money on top of that for doing absolutely nothing in return (as near as I can tell) - what more do we owe them? Yes, they wire the USU jersey and played ball, but they don't care about the school or you and me. I shrug my shoulders and move on with my life. They do the same.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. Let them go, wish them well.

splintorb wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:55 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:54 pm

Calhoun needs to get his staff hired and put to work. I don't like the idea of waiting until next week or longer to hire the rest of his assistants.

Well now that Great is leaving I don't expect Chris Haslam to be retained.

I don't believe this decision has been made yet, I also think that retaining Haslam would have helped potentially keep Great, but, was not a guarantee in any way.

Blue Goggles on by anyone thinking he stays. He's gone.

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 2:00 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑

April 3rd, 2024, 1:57 pm

We'll be seeing Uduje soon enough. And if Haslam was staying it would've been made official by now.

The portal is going to be riskier for Uduje.

Josh could get squeezed in the portal for sure. People act like their is infinite money out there. The top guys will get the lion share and the rest will fight for what's left. If you are a solid Mid Major player it would be a risk.